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In response to ateam did I exaggerate of course. This db makes it hard to like Arrogate and deserves to get his nuts busted. He ruins most threads and it's getting old. As for Arrogate he ran much better indeed but collected deserves Praise for this effort when most said distance was too much. |
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Why dont we stick to racing and drop the personal crap.
Arrogate is better. He chased wide while Collected dictated things. Collected ran OK. Better then i thought he would. Fair? |
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So exactly why did Smith choose to run wide? He had many chances to tuck him in, and definitely lost the horse more than a half-length of ground going around there.
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From a gambling standpoint, and ultimately the reason we all play this game, this horse has been overrated in BOTH his last 2 starts @ 1-9 and 3-5, based on the simple fact that he didn't win. -bt- |
RHT yet again gettin' beat up from the feet up, but how many horses on earth could run a 115 beyer and still be getting lumped into the "failed to fire" category? None? ... We can all agree on him tossing a clunker in the SD Hcp, obv, but is it too far out of the realm of possibility that the horse's time on the shelf did him ZERO good? He looked beyond short first off the bench, and yesterday he fell just short of wrangling in an improving horse that looked comfortable while setting fractions that wouldn't be deemed 'skull busting' in a G1.
Is Arrogate the all-time great most were declaring him to be after his come from behind in Dubai? Probably not. I think his win in Dubai, seeing that it wasn't in his usual up-front style, catapulted his status in the eyes of a lot of racing talking heads (ESP in an era where people are just frothing at the mouth to declare horses as all-time greats). I said it in a previous post about Arrogate after his last loss. I highly doubt he catches California Chrome in the Classic had it not been for Smith going to the right hand stick mid stretch. Smith didn't employ the right hand stick yesterday until Collected had the race won already (Smith DID smack him right handed on the turn for home but then went lefty to keep him from drifting into Accelerate). I truly believe that has at LEAST something to do with his half length loss last night. |
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The internet was a mistake. |
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If he fired, how come Baffert was so disappointed?
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Pretty amazing how many different opinions came out of this single race.
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While I don't think he is the same horse anymore I would still bet him in the BC if he runs. It an only give the gambler better odds with all this losing.
Could be another Tiznow who ran two third place finishes before winning the BC. |
Got a laugh out of Baffert as quoted in Bloodhorse:
"We watched the races a few times, and Collected still won." |
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