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Kasept 09-30-2015 03:51 PM

5th (2:33) Kelso H. (G2)

1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Appealing Tale Talamo J 118 L
2 Honor Code Castellano J J 124 L
3 Scarly Charly Ortiz J L 113 L
4 Tamarkuz Ortiz I Jr 118 L
5 Red Vine Rosario J 116 L
6 Mylute Velazquez J R 114 L
7 Matterhorn Bravo J 116 L



6th (3:08) Flower Bowl S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (Inner turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Stephanie's Kitten Ortiz I Jr 121 L
2 Regardez (GB) Rosario J 119 L
MTO Rosalind Rosario J 121 L
4 America Alvarado J 119 L
5 Watsdachances (IRE) Bravo J 123 L
MTO Tiz So Sweet 119 L
7 Mutatis Mutandis (IRE) Velazquez J R 119 FTL
8 Curvy (GB) Lordan W M 121 FTL
9 Distorted Beauty Ortiz J L 119 L
10 Danza Cavallo (FR) Castellano J J 119 L



7th (3:43) Frizette S. (G1)

1 Mile | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 She's All Ready Alvarado J 120 L
2 Width Ortiz J L 120
3 Nemoralia Rosario J 120 FTL
4 Anna Rae Bravo J 120 L
5 Nickname Castellano J J 120 L
6 Desert Tune Velazquez J R 120
7 Where's the D Ortiz I Jr 120 L



8th (4:18) Champagne S. (G1)

1 Mile | Open | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Magna Light Ortiz J L 122 L
2 Greenpointcrusader Bravo J 122 L
3 Ready Dancer Velazquez J R 122 L
4 Sail Ahoy Rosario J 122
5 Ralis Castellano J J 122 L
6 Rafting Ortiz I Jr 122 FTL
7 Tale of S'avall Velasquez C 122 FTL
8 Sunny Ridge Alvarado J 122 L
9 Portfolio Manager Franco M 122 L



9th (4:53) Hill Prince S. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (Inner turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Macher Luzzi M J 116 L
2 Vision Perfect Cancel E 116 L
3 Winter Springs (FR) Alvarado J 116 L
4 Jay Gatsby Jara F 116 FTL
5 Takeover Target Ortiz J L 120 L
6 Courtier Trujillo E 116 L
7 Royal Albert Hall (GB) Velazquez J R 116 L
8 Great Dancer (IRE) Bravo J 116 L
9 Money Multiplier Castellano J J 116 L
10 World Approval Rosario J 118 L
11 Tale of Life (JPN) Ortiz I Jr 116 L
12 Nonna's Boy Decarlo C P 116 L
MTO Good Luck Gus 116 L



10th (5:28) Jockey Club Gold Cup S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Wicked Strong Rosario J 126 L
2 Coach Inge Ortiz I Jr 126 L
3 Constitution Castellano J J 126 L
4 Effinex Alvarado J 126 L
5 Looks to Spare Parker D L 126 L
6 Tonalist Velazquez J R 126 L

ateamstupid 09-30-2015 09:59 PM

It's pretty lame that Honor Code is going in the Kelso instead of the JCGC. Looks like a great card though.

FATPIANO 10-01-2015 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1044213)
It's pretty lame that Honor Code is going in the Kelso instead of the JCGC. Looks like a great card though.

actually it is a smart move by Shug,

ateamstupid 10-01-2015 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FATPIANO (Post 1044217)
actually it is a smart move by Shug,

Didn't say it was dumb.

FATPIANO 10-01-2015 11:50 AM

sorry, the word you used was lame

Danzig 10-01-2015 12:34 PM

i think the kelso is a good prep for what they have planned next for honor code, the bc classic.

ateamstupid 10-01-2015 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1044232)
i think the kelso is a good prep for what they have planned next for honor code, the bc classic.

And the JCGC isn't?

TouchOfGrey 10-01-2015 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1044236)
And the JCGC isn't?

Shug said he didn't want to prep for 1 1/4 by running a 1 1/4. Used the Met Mile > Whitney as the example.

Danzig 10-01-2015 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1044236)
And the JCGC isn't?

i can see why shugs doing what he's doing.
not a knock on the jcgc.
also, if he did poorly at 10f saturday, what would that prep him for on bc weeked?
the kelso is right up his alley, shouldn't take as much out of him, and gives him a great prep for going 10f in a few weeks.
that way, the only question is going 10f...not whether this wknd takes too much out of him.

RHT2004 10-01-2015 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1044213)
It's pretty lame that Honor Code is going in the Kelso instead of the JCGC. Looks like a great card though.

Agree.

pointman 10-01-2015 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1044240)
i can see why shugs doing what he's doing.
not a knock on the jcgc.
also, if he did poorly at 10f saturday, what would that prep him for on bc weeked?
the kelso is right up his alley, shouldn't take as much out of him, and gives him a great prep for going 10f in a few weeks.
that way, the only question is going 10f...not whether this wknd takes too much out of him.

Considering he ran probably the best race of his life the last time he was cut back, I would say that it could prep him very well for the Dirt Mile if he is not effective at 1 1/4.

Danzig 10-01-2015 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1044243)
Considering he ran probably the best race of his life the last time he was cut back, I would say that it could prep him very well for the Dirt Mile if he is not effective at 1 1/4.

but they aren't pointing him to the dirt mile.

pointman 10-01-2015 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1044252)
but they aren't pointing him to the dirt mile.

Which part of my post in answer to your suggestion that if he ran in the JCGC and did not handle a 1 1/4 that it would not prep him for anything on Breeder's Cup day suggests that I am not aware that they are pointing him to the Classic?

cakes44 10-01-2015 08:17 PM

I think it's great and he'll be primed for the Classic. Who was the last American horse to run 1 1/4 in his prep and run worth a darn in the Classic? Maybe I didn't think thoroughly and there's one or two I missed?

Danzig 10-01-2015 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman (Post 1044253)
Which part of my post in answer to your suggestion that if he ran in the JCGC and did not handle a 1 1/4 that it would not prep him for anything on Breeder's Cup day suggests that I am not aware that they are pointing him to the Classic?

Because you wrote

I would say that it could prep him very well for the Dirt Mile

ateamstupid 10-01-2015 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1044260)
I think it's great and he'll be primed for the Classic. Who was the last American horse to run 1 1/4 in his prep and run worth a darn in the Classic? Maybe I didn't think thoroughly and there's one or two I missed?

Pretty difficult to have a long list considering how few 10-furlong dirt races are left on the calendar, but Curlin and Blame seemed to do OK in BC Classics after prepping in the JCGC. Bernardini too. No idea why prepping at the same distance of an upcoming big race would be a detriment. If anything, it should be beneficial, especially for a horse like Honor Code with no experience at the distance.

cakes44 10-01-2015 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1044262)
Pretty difficult to have a long list considering how few 10-furlong dirt races are left on the calendar, but Curlin and Blame seemed to do OK in BC Classics after prepping in the JCGC. Bernardini too. No idea why prepping at the same distance of an upcoming big race would be a detriment. If anything, it should be an advantage, especially for a horse like Honor Code with no experience at the distance.

Yep, there you go then. Just seems like pussing these horses into the BC seems to work out more often than not nowadays. Not saying I'm a fan myself.

Danzig 10-01-2015 09:31 PM

I'm just glad his ultimate goal is the classic, not the dirt mile. We just had a conversation on here about the mile vs the classic....and I applaud shug for going for it.

pointman 10-01-2015 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1044267)
I'm just glad his ultimate goal is the classic, not the dirt mile. We just had a conversation on here about the mile vs the classic....and I applaud shug for going for it.

You suggested that if he ran poorly in the JCGC that it would not serve as a prep for Breeder's Cup. I suggested that being that he is unproven at the distance, they could answer that question by running in the JCGC. It could have the benefit of answering that question and if in the negative give the option to run at a mile with a set up for a situation he ran well off the last.

blackthroatedwind 10-01-2015 10:15 PM

I think I'll defer to Shug. He's pretty good.

At the end of the day, his handling of Honor Code has been exceptional. Why would anyone question him now?


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