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my miss storm cat 02-15-2014 10:46 PM

Big Names for the Big Cap
 
5th (2:00) San Felipe S. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Home Run Kitten Quinonez A 118 L
2 Unstoppable Colby Saez L 118 L
3 Rprettyboyfloyd Nakatani C S 118 L
4 California Chrome Espinoza V 118 L
5 Sawyer's Hill Garcia M 118 L
6 Bayern Stevens G L 118 L
7 Kristo Rosario J 118 L
8 Schoolofhardrocks Talamo J 118 FTL
9 Midnight Hawk Smith M E 120 L
10 Recanted Gutierrez Mario 118 L



6th (2:30) China Doll S.

1 Mile (Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $75,000

1 Anniversary Kitty Nakatani C S 117 L
2 Loan Savant Gutierrez Mario 117 L
3 Sushi Empire Espinoza V 122 L
4 Soresca (IRE) SutherlandKruse C 117 L
5 Screen Goddess Rosario J 117 L
6 Tiz Kissable Baze T C 117 L
7 Nashoba's Gold Talamo J 117 L
8 Diversy Harbor Stevens G L 117 L
9 Uzziel Blanc B 117 L
10 Sheza Smoke Show Saez L 117 L
11 On the Backstreets Bejarano R 117 L
12 Savings Account Smith M E 117 L
13 Full Ransom Desormeaux K J 122 L



7th (3:00) San Carlos S. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Sahara Sky Rosario J 120 L
2 Clubhouse Ride Baze T C 120 L
3 Zeewat Nakatani C S 118 L
4 Big Macher Saez L 118 L
5 Cyclometer Talamo J 118 L
6 Wild Dude Bejarano R 123 L
7 Ready for More Garcia M 118 L
8 Let's Get Crackin Delgadillo A 118 L
9 Midnight Transfer Espinoza V 118 L
10 Shakin It Up Smith M E 123 L



8th (3:30) Frank E. Kilroe Mile S. (G1)

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $350,000

1 Lochte Bocachica O 123 L
2 Regally Ready Smith M E 118 L
3 Optimizer Saez L 118 L
4 Suggestive Boy (ARG) Talamo J 118 L
5 Za Approval Rosario J 118 L
6 Winning Prize (ARG) Nakatani C S 118 L
7 Horizontalyspeakin Maldonado E 118 L
8 Tom's Tribute Stevens G L 118 L
9 Silentio Bejarano R 118 L
10 Lakerville Desormeaux K J 118 L



9th (4:00) Santa Anita H. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 Will Take Charge Saez (2-1) L 123
2 Mucho Macho Man Stevens G L (9-5) 124 L
3 Blingo Gryder A T (8-1) 117 L
4 Imperative Desormeaux K J (12-1) 114 L
5 Rousing Sermon Bejarano R 114 (12-1) L
6 American Blend Talamo J 114 (20-1) L
7 Game On Dude Smith M E 122 (5-2) L
8 Hear the Ghost Rosario J 114 (20-1) L

helicopter11 02-15-2014 11:56 PM

Will Take Charge, Lea, Game on Dude, and MMM. Thats going to be a monster race. Glad these A-list horses opted to stay in the US rather than go to Dubai.
Serves them right for installing a poly-track in a land surrounded by sand.

blackthroatedwind 02-15-2014 11:57 PM

I'm skeptical about Lea running.

pmayjr 02-16-2014 01:19 AM

Seriously? I thought they'd all duck each other until November (if they all stay in training that long). This is awesome news.

But... I still don't understand why MMM isn't going to Dubai. 4th place money in that race is worth more than a Big Cap win. If he wins over the Dubai surface, it adds to his stud value. And he can rest until Saratoga and campaign upto the BC after. I just don't think he had much to lose by going to Dubai.

But is they really all show up at SA, this is pretty cool

helicopter11 02-16-2014 02:12 AM

Only one missing is Wise Dan.

Kasept 02-16-2014 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 965749)
Only one missing is Wise Dan.

Wise Dan is not in serious training yet.

Danzig 02-16-2014 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmayjr (Post 965748)
Seriously? I thought they'd all duck each other until November (if they all stay in training that long). This is awesome news.

But... I still don't understand why MMM isn't going to Dubai. 4th place money in that race is worth more than a Big Cap win. If he wins over the Dubai surface, it adds to his stud value. And he can rest until Saratoga and campaign upto the BC after. I just don't think he had much to lose by going to Dubai.

But is they really all show up at SA, this is pretty cool

to hell with dubai.

RockHardTen1985 02-16-2014 10:19 AM

I have heard/read nothing about Lea running. He would be better off going Carter and Met Mile.

alysheba4 02-17-2014 11:26 AM

dont see why he cant win at 10 F.

RockHardTen1985 02-17-2014 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alysheba4 (Post 965991)
dont see why he cant win at 10 F.

Lea? If so, Im not saying he cant. But he had proven to be plenty sharp enough for 1 turn 7f-8f races. The Carter and Met are perfect for him. Grade 1's. Total purse for both races I believe is 1.75million. With the Met being bumped up this year.

blackthroatedwind 02-17-2014 05:51 PM

Once again, I highly doubt Lea is running....and don't believe anyone reliable ever said he was.

RockHardTen1985 02-17-2014 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 966069)
Once again, I highly doubt Lea is running....and don't believe anyone reliable ever said he was.

Would be exciting to see Lea vs Falling Sky in The Carter.

declansharbor 02-17-2014 10:32 PM

Thread jack alert !!

I'm excited for the 6th at Gulfstream on FOY day.

Eager to see a few run back in there, most namely Constitution & Tonalist.

RockHardTen1985 02-18-2014 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 966089)
Thread jack alert !!

I'm excited for the 6th at Gulfstream on FOY day.

Eager to see a few run back in there, most namely Constitution & Tonalist.

Thats a crazy allowance race. 5 horses can win it. Im most eager to see Matterhorn and Mexikoma. Also hoping Wicked Strong can regroup.

pmayjr 02-18-2014 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 965765)
to hell with dubai.

please... expand on this lol.

Don't get me wrong. This is awesome they're all running in the big 'Cap. When is the last time this early in the year all the big dogs showed up in the same race?

I mean the routine.... what? At least the last decade? Has been avoid each other until Breeders Cup... unless stud deal comes before November (which it usually does), so then there's an early retirement and the best horses never face off.

I'm just saying for the eventual stud deal awaiting MMM (and WTC for that matter), a big Group 1 win over a Synthetic track for wayyyy more $$$ than SA can offer... just makes no sense why they wouldn't go.

And yeah, I get that the trip saps the horse for months. We probably wouldn't see MMM again until Toga after. But He'd have more than enough time to prep and get fit for a run at the BC after.

pmayjr 02-18-2014 12:27 PM

Also... I know the chances of it happening are pretty much zero, but if you're the connections of Lea- your horse came out of the Donn in good shape. Call an audible and send him to Dubai. More money, a running style that can work over that crazy surface, and you duck the buzzsaw at SA

Danzig 02-18-2014 01:56 PM

the only mention i saw on lea, is after his win bill mott said they'd aim for the whitney.

ever since dubai changed surfaces, it hasn't been a good surface for the u.s. horses for the most part.

it's hard on horses to ship, quite often they don't do well. so, you put them thru all that for nothing, they are laid up both before and after...

as for me saying to hell with dubai-i'd rather horses avoid that place and stay over here, even if it is for less money. i don't like the way they do things over there, and i don't like seeing good horses go there and give them any attention. their human and equal rights records speak for themselves.
the purse money may be higher, but a horse can get a really good looking resume and stud deal without going there.

RockHardTen1985 02-18-2014 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 966110)
the only mention i saw on lea, is after his win bill mott said they'd aim for the whitney.

ever since dubai changed surfaces, it hasn't been a good surface for the u.s. horses for the most part.

it's hard on horses to ship, quite often they don't do well. so, you put them thru all that for nothing, they are laid up both before and after...

as for me saying to hell with dubai-i'd rather horses avoid that place and stay over here, even if it is for less money. i don't like the way they do things over there, and i don't like seeing good horses go there and give them any attention. their human and equal rights records speak for themselves.
the purse money may be higher, but a horse can get a really good looking resume and stud deal without going there.

This is kinda untrue. The Whitney was mentioned, but he also mentioned a mile race. The Met Mile is to obvious to not be the goal.

ateamstupid 02-18-2014 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 966110)
the only mention i saw on lea, is after his win bill mott said they'd aim for the whitney.

ever since dubai changed surfaces, it hasn't been a good surface for the u.s. horses for the most part.

This is the key. I doubt that after shipping Royal Delta there twice to run up the track over synthetic, Mott will be interested in sending any other good dirt horses to Dubai. Animal Kingdom was the rare exception who excelled on all surfaces; shipping quality American dirt horses across the world on the off chance they'll handle the synthetic (not to mention all the other hurdles that Dubai presented pre-synth) is a losing proposition long-term.

tanner12oz 02-18-2014 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 965752)
Wise Dan is not in serious training yet.

any idea when and where they are pointing him? I'll be at the makers mark and would love to see him again


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