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Kasept 04-27-2021 10:31 AM

5/1 (CD): 147th Kentucky Derby
 

moses 04-27-2021 10:52 AM

I am probably in the minority but I love the draw for Known Agenda. With the new starting gate and the fact he wouldn't be an early pace setter, he could get a nice rail trip. He'll have to negotiate some traffic but he's got Irad aboard and has shown he can take kickback and move through traffic.

And the post might scare some potential bettors away, so you might get a higher price on him than you would otherwise.

knickslions2 04-27-2021 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1152199)
I am probably in the minority but I love the draw for Known Agenda. With the new starting gate and the fact he wouldn't be an early pace setter, he could get a nice rail trip. He'll have to negotiate some traffic but he's got Irad aboard and has shown he can take kickback and move through traffic.

And the post might scare some potential bettors away, so you might get a higher price on him than you would otherwise.

Horse is a closer anyway so probably doesn’t hurt him as much. My gut says he peaked last race and don’t think I’ll be using him on ticket. He seems to be a tri or super horse at best. With that being said I probably put him in winners circle

RolloTomasi 04-27-2021 11:32 AM

A horse is going to run in the Phipps Stable colors while wearing a white nylon bridal.

We've reached the Nexus of the Universe...

moses 04-27-2021 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1152200)
Horse is a closer anyway so probably doesn’t hurt him as much. My gut says he peaked last race and don’t think I’ll be using him on ticket. He seems to be a tri or super horse at best. With that being said I probably put him in winners circle

I don't think he peaked last race but who knows what kind of trip he will get. Ideally, he gets a nice rail trip somewhere in the 2nd wave of horses but maybe he gets shuffled back more than he'd like.

After looking at the field, my biggest concern with that post is that he's right next to Drayden Van Dyke, who I'd guess is the most likely jockey to wipe someone out at the start of this race.

cakes44 04-27-2021 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1152199)
I am probably in the minority but I love the draw for Known Agenda. With the new starting gate and the fact he wouldn't be an early pace setter, he could get a nice rail trip. He'll have to negotiate some traffic but he's got Irad aboard and has shown he can take kickback and move through traffic.

And the post might scare some potential bettors away, so you might get a higher price on him than you would otherwise.

Well he was my horse but now I'm definitely looking elsewhere...so you might be on to something!

blackthroatedwind 04-27-2021 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1152201)
A horse is going to run in the Phipps Stable colors while wearing a white nylon bridal.

We've reached the Nexus of the Universe...

Shug must be thrilled

moses 04-27-2021 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1152204)
Well he was my horse but now I'm definitely looking elsewhere...so you might be on to something!

I wouldn't toss him just yet. Maybe it was hyperbolic to say that I love the post...but I'm not put off by it.

I'm not sure how much speed is next to him. O Besos and Keepmeinmind are late runners and the other 3 are not particularly fast, though neither is Known Agenda.

RolloTomasi 04-27-2021 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1152206)
I wouldn't toss him just yet. Maybe it was hyperbolic to say that I love the post...but I'm not put off by it.

I'm not sure how much speed is next to him. O Besos and Keepmeinmind are late runners and the other 3 are not particularly fast, though neither is Known Agenda.

Known Agenda actually kept in contact and got first run on Highly Motivated while sprinting in a Belmont maiden race back in September. Granted, the latter broke slow and was bottled up most of the race.

moses 04-27-2021 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1152209)
Known Agenda actually kept in contact and got first run on Highly Motivated while sprinting in a Belmont maiden race back in September. Granted, the latter broke slow and was bottled up most of the race.

Good points, and that was before Pletcher added blinkers.

Kasept 04-27-2021 02:48 PM








cakes44 04-27-2021 06:04 PM

Will the Old Forester be shown anywhere on TV?

richard burch 04-27-2021 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1152199)
I am probably in the minority but I love the draw for Known Agenda. With the new starting gate and the fact he wouldn't be an early pace setter, he could get a nice rail trip. He'll have to negotiate some traffic but he's got Irad aboard and has shown he can take kickback and move through traffic.

And the post might scare some potential bettors away, so you might get a higher price on him than you would otherwise.

Any horse in the 1 hole is going to get avoided by the experienced bettors.
But why do one when you can cover 3. If you look at the odds of last last few years of the horse in the 1 hole a show bet on him will probably pay 10-1+. In 2017 Lookin at lee paid 15.20. Thats a good bet.

https://www.equibase.com/premium/cha...7&cy=USA&rn=12

richard burch 04-27-2021 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1152223)
Will the Old Forester be shown anywhere on TV?

People also ask...

Will the Kentucky Derby be televised?


The 2021 Kentucky Derby will air on May 1 from 12:30 to 2:30 p.m. ET on NBCSN and from 2:30 to 7:30 p.m. ET on NBC. Coverage is also available to stream live on NBCSports.com and on the NBC

Thats full coverage I think.

richard burch 04-27-2021 10:04 PM

and...

https://www.horseracingnation.com/ne...e_for_rain_123

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/lo...orecast/348428

Kasept 04-28-2021 04:27 AM




Dahoss 04-28-2021 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1152227)
Any horse in the 1 hole is going to get avoided by the experienced bettors.
But why do one when you can cover 3. If you look at the odds of last last few years of the horse in the 1 hole a show bet on him will probably pay 10-1+. In 2017 Lookin at lee paid 15.20. Thats a good bet.

https://www.equibase.com/premium/cha...7&cy=USA&rn=12

Lookin at Lee was 33-1. Known Agenda will not be anywhere near 33-1.

cakes44 04-28-2021 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by richard burch (Post 1152228)
People also ask...

Will the Kentucky Derby be televised?


The 2021 Kentucky Derby will air on May 1 from 12:30 to 2:30 p.m. ET on NBCSN and from 2:30 to 7:30 p.m. ET on NBC. Coverage is also available to stream live on NBCSports.com and on the NBC

Thats full coverage I think.

They usually have the race going on in the background with some stupid interview going on or the announcers blabbing about hats or something if I remember correctly...though admittedly I am generally pretty loaded by that time.

blackthroatedwind 04-28-2021 02:23 PM

Here's a link to the Derby Preview video I taped earlier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRQm60FOPI

knickslions2 04-28-2021 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1152254)
Here's a link to the Derby Preview video I taped earlier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRQm60FOPI

Good stuff. You in Louisville yet? Enjoy the time there.


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