new video of derby DQ
 

Puts the onus on WOW , curiously does not show the headon shot though

https://www.yahoo.com/news/maximum-s...043736761.html

PS - watch the replay of gulfstreams race 11 of sunday 5/12/19 DQ of the 3 who won and was taken down and the 7 put up
a similar take down.

Before all of this I actually had some respect for the West’s, who have put a lot of money into the game. I’m sure they could care less what I think, but this is embarrassing at this point.

I’ve always thought highly of Luis Saez as a rider. I’m guessing this is not his doing, but it makes him look foolish as well.

The video doesn’t make lawyers look good either.

Just as I said all along. gafflione caused it . He hit Maximum Security from behind after running up his heels trying to get to a hole that wasn’t there. It was a Paco Lopez I’ll make a hole if there isn’t one move. He never should have come down.

Well I am glad to know I am not alone in my opinion. Jodi mcDonald on FAN went off on a rant saying the same thing too. WOW ran up his ass.

He’s a big horse racing fan? How many races a year do you think he watches? I have the over/under at 3.

I have to admit I’m kind of surprised people actually watch all of the videos of the Derby and come away from watching it thinking MS was fouled. I’m not trying to offend anyone but that’s crazy.

Its amazing that people view each of the "latest" Derby videos and takes the most recent as the new, singular truth. It's as if all other previous angles are negated.

All one has to do to verify that WOW did or did not foul MS from behind prior to the latter veering out is to watch another angle(s) at the same point in time (you know, like the stewards are supposed to).

But I guess since no one has yet to sync 2 complementary angles together side-by-side, lazy people will continue to buy into the headlines of "indisputable evidence".

This tape shows WOW caused the problems..period the end

Insult, meet Injury

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...rby-infraction

What an absolute travesty. What are the chances of someone gets 15 days out of an obscure infraction that the stewards didn't even see?

I’m in the camp that agrees with the DQ, but I see no reason to suspend him. Especially given the track conditions that day. Borderline absurd to suspend him, IMO.

So Gafflione had nothing to do with it ? It was all Saez ? :zz:

Say what you want about the DQ this is most absurd ruling I've seen yet.

So he can't ride at Churchill?

I finally watched the video. Freeze-framing at specific points on the turn to show that War of Will or Country House moves lanes doesn’t really prove anything. Not a bad attempt but I’m not sure it shows that the stewards were incorrect.

I've watched it from 3 different angles: Grandstand side, infield side, head-on. I wonder if there is an overhead shot? Seems like that might reveal whether the fault is Gafflione's or not?

Even though the horse was rightly DQ’d I don’t think Saez should be suspended. Some of the hyperbole in this thread is humorous though.

The thought that Gaffalione is at fault is mind boggling to me. Anyone thinking that either bet MS or is overdue for an eye exam.

Where did Gafflione ever have room to make that move ? If he stays put, he might have won. He came out where there was not room. Is he not up Saez’ Ass while max security is still in the 2 path ?

It’s impossible for you to watch videos of the DQ and think he didn’t have room unless you’re trolling or need new glasses. You’ve followed the sport for a long time so my guess is you’re trolling. Not interested in playing that game with you.

what Tom said...this is unfair basically because the horse shied and ducked out and Luis was able to correct the horse's path very quickly...unfair to the jock, this wasn't an issue of purposely herding to gain an advantage. For the record and The Who Gives a $hit Club, I agree with the DQ

I said the same thing at the beginning. The proof is clear as Day. I'm not saying MS didn't come out, but the one hoss came out first. If the 1 doesn't come out, nothing would have happened.

Like I said, not interested in engaging you. You’re never right about anything and this is no different.

You didn't watch the head on bro it is clear as day who is at fault here. It actually should insult your intelligence that Gary West would choose to present a pan SHOT after Maximum Security had already caused the foul as some sort of "New Angle".

another piece of evidence the lawyer submitted

Intelligence? It's not often you hear that in the same sentence as me.

How many paths was it that the 1 came out?

You used to be good. Not much lately though. Maybe you can show us all how smart you still are and come up with a couple of winners.

The multiple double digit winners I posted on Derby Day weren’t enough for you?

Didn't realize you were releasing until it was too late. Though on a side note, I am on a heater since you came back. When you're around, things go well. So please do stick around.

I’ll be sure to leave then

Why ? You want me to win don't you? I want you to win.

Please stop.

This is even more absurd...

Saez, who is currently riding at Belmont Park, was represented at the May 10 film review by Louisville, Ky., attorney Ann Oldfather. Oldfather, who was not allowed to address the stewards at the May 10 session, had presented the stewards with a video that made the argument other riders and horses caused or contributed to the foul. The stewards offered no assurances they would view the video.

At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if anti-DQ folks suddenly find video "proving" War of Will killed Kennedy.

I'm reminded of the song "Cell Block Tango" from the musical 'Chicago.' "He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife ten times..." It's a weird framing that some are trying to do to make Maximum Security the victim somehow. Blaming War of Will or Tyler is just unfair. I don't see how they weren't denied an impressive run. Whether it would've won, who can say when they're trying to get that 10th furlong, but you can't help but watch WoW and get excited for what he's attempting to do...until he isn't and because of MS.

I don't expect the length of Saez's suspension to stick if Maragh was able to negotiate down his Belmont days (and I still think his move was purposeful), but I was surprised we hadn't heard of something til now.

Question for the Gaffalione and WoW bumped MS from behind crowd. After the race Saez was very clear in explaining the horse ducked out because he was spooked by something in the crowd.

Isn’t his word enough? Wouldn’t he have known if a horse from behind him bumped him and wouldn’t he have said as much at the time?

The narrative has been changed by the West’s, a divorce attorney and other people. But if you take Saez at his word, he’s never said Gaffalione and WoW did anything. He said his horse was spooked by something in the crowd.

:tro: :Leader in the Clubhouse for Derby Trail Line of Year. Does his suspension even matter since he isn't a regular rider at Churchill Downs? Am I not reading this correctly...

I believe other tracks also respect the suspension , so he could not ride anywhere. ?

Jim this is what I read

"If Saez's appeal is not successful, he will not be able to ride at any track during the 15-day period, which includes the dates May 23-27, May 30-June 2, June 6-9, and June 13-14."

I hope he wins his appeal as this is ridiculous.

Stupid question, but who hears the appeal?

I didn’t realize other tracks honor the suspension. This is just ridiculous. Like Steve said this morning, this just makes the stewards look worse, not better, in the case for the DQ.