Weekend Stakes Beyers
BEL Joe Hirsch Turf S (G1): Beach Patrol 109 (Lemon Drop Kid) C. Brown/J. Rosario
BEL Beldame S (G1): Elate 97 (Medaglia d'Oro) W. Mott/J. Ortiz BEL Vosburgh S (G1): Takaful 107 (Bernardini) K. McLaughlin/J. Ortiz BEL Pilgrim S (G3): Seabhac 75 (Scat Daddy) T. Pletcher/L. Saez BEL Temperence Hill S: Madefromlucky 90 (Lookin At Lucky) T. Pletcher/J. Castellano BEL Miss Grillo S (G3): Significant Form 78 (Creative Cause) C. Brown/I. Ortiz SA FrontRunner S (G1): Bolt d'Oro 100 (Medaglia d'Oro) M. Ruis/C. Nakatani SA Rodeo Drive S (G1): Avenge 95 (War Front) R. Mandella/F. Prat SA Chandelier S (G1): Moonshine Memories 86 (Malibu Moon) S. Callaghan/F. Prat SA Awesome Again S (G1): Mubtaahij-IRE 102 (Dubawi-IRE) B. Baffert/D. Van Dyke SA Zenyatta S (G1): Paradise Woods 105 (Union Rags) R. Mandella/F. Prat SA John Henry Turf S (G2): Itsinthepost-FR -- (American Post-GB) J. Mullins/T. Baze SA Eddie D S (G3): Mr. Roary 101 (Scat Daddy) G. Papaprodromou/T. Conner CD Lukas Classic S (G3): Honorable Duty 100 (Distorted Humor) B. Walsh/C. Lanerie CD Ack Ack S (G3): Awesome Slew 98 (Awesome Again) M. Casse/C. Lanerie CD Jefferson Cup S: Mr. Misunderstood 89 (Archarcharch) B. Cox/F. Geroux GP Florida Sire My Dear Girl S: Starship Bonita 71 (Gone Astray) S. Dwoskin/C. Montalvo GP Florida Sire In Reality S: Soutache 77 (Backtalk) R. Nicks/T. Gaffalione GP Mr. Steele S: Galleon Mast 93 (Mizzen Mast) D. Fawkes/T. Gaffalione GP Our Dear Peggy S: Blonde Bomber 68 (Fort Larned) S. Gold/E. Jaramillo GP Monroe S: King's Ghost 69 (Ghostzapper) M. Wolfson/J. Ruiz GP Armed Forces S: Renaisance Frolic 47 (Paynter) D. Fawkes/J. Batista LRL Commonwealth Derby (G3): Just Howard 96 (English Channel) H. Motion/F. Lynch LRL Balt/Wash Intl Turf Cup S (G2): Projected-GB 97 (Showcasing (GB) C. Brown/N. Juarez LRL Commonwealth Oaks (G3): Rymska-FR 88 (Le Havre-IRE) C. Brown/F. Lynch LRL Oakley S: Exaggerated 80 (Blame) A. Delacour/D. Centeno LRL Punch Line S: Lawyer Dave 68 (Lawyer Ron) C. Morgan/S. Hamilton LRL Jamestown S: Yes to the Dress 65 (Congrats) R. Moquett/J. Lezcano LRL Bert Allen S: Special Envoy 80 (Stroll) A. Delacour/D. Centeno LRL Brookmeade S: Queen Caroline 79 (Blame) M. Matz/F. Lynch WO Durham Cup S (G3): Melmich 96 (Wilko) K. Attard/E. Da Silva WO La Lorgnette S: Let It Ride Mom 85 (Into Mischief) M. Casse/P. Husbands WO Grey S (G3): Archaggelos 83 (Temple City) M. Dickinson/R. Hernandez FL New York Breeders' Futurity: Analyze the Odds 67 (Overanalyze) T. Pletcher/C. DeCarlo DEL Tax Free Shopping Distaff S: Hailey's Flip 82 (Archarcharch) G. Capuano/J. Torres DEL New Castle S: Winplaceorshowono 82 (Dance With Ravens) R. Alfano/A. Cintron DEL George Rosenberger Memorial S: Laur Net 84 (Strong Hope) A. Gonzalez/S. Spieth DEL Small Wonder S: Enchanted Star 67 (El Padrino) G. Capuano/J. Torres DEL First State Dash S: Whereshetoldmetogo 72 (El Padrino) A. Pecoraro/V. Lebron DEL DTHA Governors Day H: Afleet Willy 94 (Wilburn) C. Gonzalez/J. Torres HST Fantasy S: Here's Hannah -- (Numaany) J. Morrison/R. Hamel HST Ascot Graduation S: Wise Market -- (Mass Market) P. Hall/A. Perez OTP Oak Tree Juvenile S: Respect the Hustle 70 (Colonel John) B. McLean/J. Hernandez |
Paradise Woods got a smaller figure than Bolt D Oro.......that would mean the track changed considerably.
I will go with the Timeform figure which I know will be better than Paradise Woods. |
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Seems like there is a strong tendency to place as much value on the 3rd place finisher and their assumed ability as there is in evaluating raw time |
Interesting comments about the figure from DRF, basically that they made it based on what they though was reasonable for the horses in that race and it was not a figure broken out based on a surface change.
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SA John Henry Turf S (G2): Itsinthepost-FR -- (American Post-GB) J. Mullins/T. Baze
BEL Temperence Hill S: Madefromlucky 90 (Lookin At Lucky) T. Pletcher/J. Castellano BEL Miss Grillo S (G3): Significant Form 78 (Creative Cause) C. Brown/I. Ortiz WO Grey S (G3): Archaggelos 83 (Temple City) M. Dickinson/R. Hernandez HST Ascot Graduation S: Wise Market -- (Mass Market) P. Hall/A. Perez |
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Looking at the races before and after the Excelsior for the 3rd and 5th place finishers it is tough to make the argument that the Excelsior figure is any more than a point or two too high.
Doyouknowsomething - 86/95/99/98/93 Discreet Lover - 92/92/93/85/85 I don't have the subsequent figures for Hereditary or Admiral Blue since I can't get Formulator on this device but Hereditary came in with 95/89/84 and ran a 94 or 95 while Admiral Blue came in with 94/96 and ran about a 91. Lot of races you can nitpick at the Beyer figures but the Excelsior does not seem like a good example. |
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This is the safe play though, they can always adjust it and its a lot easier to adjust up than down. |
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I applaud him coming on air and explaining the thought process |
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This is, yet another, meaningless post from you, Greg. You're both smart enough and knowledgeable enough to know that what Beyer did makes sense. |
Andy Beyer gave a great explanation of his decision on Steves show. Anybody with concerns on the figures should listen.
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Did you listen to Beyer on Byk's show today? |
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You are making this personal, why I do not know? |
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I did google it, nice touch! |
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