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smartbid09 12-13-2010 03:51 PM

Do you think this is a really nice crop of 2 year olds?
 
I'm really impressed with all the talent we have out there this year!

This is not a complete list, but look at some of the two year olds we have this year:

2 year old Colts
Uncle Mo, Boys At Tosconova, Pluck, To Honor And Serve, Premier Pegasus, Rouge Romance
2 year old fillies
Cathy’s Crunches, Awesome Feather, Winter Memories, Turbulent Descent, Dancinginherdreams, More Than Real

randallscott35 12-13-2010 03:54 PM

Yes Yes Yes

Arletta 12-13-2010 04:07 PM

Uncle Mo is a going to be a Super Star :)

hockey2315 12-13-2010 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smartbid09 (Post 733503)
I'm really impressed with all the talent we have out there this year!

This is not a complete list, but look at some of the two year olds we have this year:
Uncle Mo, Boys At Tosconova, Pluck, To Honor And Serve, Ruthenia, Dancinginherdreams, Stay Thirsty, Santiva, Premier Pegasus

Cathy’s Crunches, Awesome Feather, Winter Memories, Turbulent Descent,

Big time talents.

smartbid09 12-13-2010 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 733511)
Big time talents.

lol

just throwing out some names that came to mind. :) Got a little too excited:) Made the changes:)

RolloTomasi 12-13-2010 04:46 PM

There might be some extraordinary talents in this crop, but overall the group seems anemic.

That could have been the lightest BC Juvenile in history in terms of depth.

The Champagne had a 5-horse field with an odds-on colt with but a maiden win.

The Hopeful had a 4-horse field.

The Saratoga Special had a short field and the winner broke down soon after.

The top colt at West (JPs Gusto) has the classic look of an early season 2yo that doesn't train on. The Hollywood Futurity looks like a free-for-all.

To Honor And Serve seems like the only stakes winner that will be a legitimate Derby candidate.

Indian Charlie 12-13-2010 04:54 PM

I agree with Rollo.

At the top of the crop there seem to be some monsters, but the crop lacks any depth at all once you get by the top three or so.

VOL JACK 12-13-2010 05:03 PM

Besides Dancinginherdreams, I haven't been WOW'd by many fillies.

Kasept 12-13-2010 05:08 PM

BEST BEYERS: 2-year-olds (Main track only)


Juvenile Colts (1m or more)

Uncle Mo CD 06 Nov 1 1/16M 108
To Honor and Serve AQU 27 Nov 1 1/8M 102
Gourmet Dinner DED 20 Nov 1 1/16M 93
Boys At Tosconova CD 06 Nov 1 1/16M 101
Mucho Macho Man AQU 27 Nov 1 1/8M 99
To Honor and Serve AQU 06 Nov 1M 97
Buffum BEL 30 Oct 1M 96
Cool Blue Red Hot BEL 30 Oct 1M 96
Comma to the Top HOL 06 Nov 1 1/16M 95
To Honor and Serve BEL 02 Oct 1 1/16M 95
Mountain Town AQU 27 Nov 1 1/8M 94
Uncle Mo BEL 09 Oct 1M 94


Juvenile Colts (<1m)

Boys At Tosconova BEL 02 Jul 5F 102
Uncle Mo SAR 28 Aug 6F 102
Read the Contract AQU 26 Nov 6F 98
Leave of Absence AQU 07 Nov 6F 94
Sovereign Default BEL 15 Jul 5 1/2F 94
Dual Exhauzt CRC 11 Dec 6F 93
Justin Phillip BEL 18 Sep 6F 93
J P's Gusto DMR 08 Aug 6 1/2F 92
J P's Gusto HOL 31 May 5 1/2F 92
Su Casa G Casa RP 08 Oct 6F 92


Juvenile Fillies (all distances)

Twelve Pack Shelly (f) LRL 08 Apr 4 1/2F 95
Quantum Miss (f) PEN 24 Nov 6F 94
Tales in Excess (f) DMR 04 Sep 5 1/2F 93
Honey Chile (f) KEE 09 Oct 6F 92
Promise Me a Cat (f) BEL 26 Sep 5 1/2F 92
Turbulent Descent (f) HOL 11 Dec 1 1/16M 92

Rudeboyelvis 12-13-2010 05:09 PM

Royal Delta could be anything - visually one of the more impressive 2yo fillies in this crop.... Looking forward to her return

jms62 12-13-2010 05:25 PM

Bodog has posted their first futures for the Derby

Odds to win the 2011 Kentucky Derby All wagers have action, Others on Request
Astrology
50/1

Biondetti
40/1

Boys at Tosconova
16/1

Curlinello
40/1

J B's Thunder
65/1

J P's Gusto
65/1

Jaycito
30/1

Mucho Macho Man
40/1

Murjan
65/1

Pathfork
30/1

Pluck
25/1

Rogue Romance
40/1

Sheriff Cogburn
40/1

Smash
50/1

Sovereign Default
50/1

Stay Thirsty
35/1

Sway Away
50/1

To Honor And Serve
16/1

Uncle Mo
4/1

Zaidan
60/1

Indian Charlie 12-13-2010 05:41 PM

When is the last time a 2yo had the highest BSF for both a mile and under and over a mile, like Uncle Mo did this year?

hockey2315 12-13-2010 05:56 PM

Zaidan was recently sold to Hong Kong interests. . . I have To Honor and Serve @ 30-1, but wouldn't mind getting a giant price on Tapizar and the Jerkens/Centennial horse who finished second at AQU yesterday if Wynn or somewhere else offered them (prob auto-underlays, though).

hockey2315 12-13-2010 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 733532)
When is the last time a 2yo had the highest BSF for both a mile and under and over a mile, like Uncle Mo did this year?

Umm what?

hockey2315 12-13-2010 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 733539)
Umm what?

Nevermind. Your wording confused me. War Pass?

johnny pinwheel 12-14-2010 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 733543)
Nevermind. Your wording confused me. War Pass?

yup, and he was going to be a "superstar" too.....lol. thats what i heard anyway........yeah right.

Linny 12-14-2010 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 733518)
There might be some extraordinary talents in this crop, but overall the group seems anemic.

That could have been the lightest BC Juvenile in history in terms of depth.

The Champagne had a 5-horse field with an odds-on colt with but a maiden win.

The Hopeful had a 4-horse field.

The Saratoga Special had a short field and the winner broke down soon after.

The top colt at West (JPs Gusto) has the classic look of an early season 2yo that doesn't train on. The Hollywood Futurity looks like a free-for-all.

To Honor And Serve seems like the only stakes winner that will be a legitimate Derby candidate.

I think that the way the leading candidates in each barn are handled has changed and the Champage and the BCJ are proof. In the early years of the BC, 2yo's continued to campaign as they always had. Big outfits wanted their 2yo's to break their maiden before the summer meets at Saratoga and Del Mar so they'd shoot for the prominent stakes there. Then they'd run twice at Belmont in the fall (Futurity, Champage) then the best head to the BCJ.
Now it's a different game. Those colts that trainers see has 'classic types" are held out 'til Labor Day weekend (or nearly so) and get one race at Belmont (Champagne) then of the BCJ. Since the BCJ has proven such a poor predictor of success at 3, alot of folks are just skipping it (To Honor and Serve) and looking for alternatives. With an Uncle Mo looming over the BCJ, why not try for big money at Delta or Remington before testing your colt. After all, recent history has shown that leading babies flatten out before the Derby. Why not get experience over the track in the KYJC or try 9f in the Remsen? Those races wont get you an Eclipse but the Juvie Awards have (of late) been like the kiss of death .

As for this crop, I think it's a good one. As noted above, alot of babies have run big figs. Does that means they will all stay sound and hit Louisville ready to run a 120 on the first Saturday of May? No, but it means there is some talent out there. Remember too that those babies toiling earning 80-85 figs may have plenty of room to improve. This time a few years ago none of us had heard of Curlin and next year's Derby winner may as yet be unstarted or have just a poor maiden loss to his name.

randallscott35 12-14-2010 08:33 AM

I think by April it is easier to assess a crop in terms of depth and quality but so far so good with this one.

freddymo 12-14-2010 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 733527)
BEST BEYERS: 2-year-olds (Main track only)


Juvenile Colts (1m or more)

Uncle Mo CD 06 Nov 1 1/16M 108
To Honor and Serve AQU 27 Nov 1 1/8M 102
Gourmet Dinner DED 20 Nov 1 1/16M 93
Boys At Tosconova CD 06 Nov 1 1/16M 101
Mucho Macho Man AQU 27 Nov 1 1/8M 99
To Honor and Serve AQU 06 Nov 1M 97
Buffum BEL 30 Oct 1M 96
Cool Blue Red Hot BEL 30 Oct 1M 96
Comma to the Top HOL 06 Nov 1 1/16M 95
To Honor and Serve BEL 02 Oct 1 1/16M 95
Mountain Town AQU 27 Nov 1 1/8M 94
Uncle Mo BEL 09 Oct 1M 94


Juvenile Colts (<1m)

Boys At Tosconova BEL 02 Jul 5F 102
Uncle Mo SAR 28 Aug 6F 102
Read the Contract AQU 26 Nov 6F 98
Leave of Absence AQU 07 Nov 6F 94
Sovereign Default BEL 15 Jul 5 1/2F 94
Dual Exhauzt CRC 11 Dec 6F 93
Justin Phillip BEL 18 Sep 6F 93
J P's Gusto DMR 08 Aug 6 1/2F 92
J P's Gusto HOL 31 May 5 1/2F 92
Su Casa G Casa RP 08 Oct 6F 92


Juvenile Fillies (all distances)

Twelve Pack Shelly (f) LRL 08 Apr 4 1/2F 95
Quantum Miss (f) PEN 24 Nov 6F 94
Tales in Excess (f) DMR 04 Sep 5 1/2F 93
Honey Chile (f) KEE 09 Oct 6F 92
Promise Me a Cat (f) BEL 26 Sep 5 1/2F 92
Turbulent Descent (f) HOL 11 Dec 1 1/16M 92


What BSF did the Von Hemmel at Remington get?

Kasept 12-14-2010 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 733633)
What BSF did the Von Hemmel at Remington get?

79


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