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-BT- 06-20-2016 10:17 AM

Champion Untapable Retired
 
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...apable-retired

got hooked into singeling her on saturday, and if she didn't retire after that performance she would have been faded from here on out.



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robfla 06-20-2016 10:20 AM

she actually has done enough

OldDog 06-20-2016 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by robfla (Post 1067503)
she actually has done enough

:tro:

NTamm1215 06-20-2016 11:03 AM

Glad they made the decision. But, I'm also glad they ran her as a 4 and 5YO.

Pants II 06-20-2016 11:22 AM

Not convinced she was finished. I'm one to believe the horse is peculiar as all get out and was a creature of habit.

Nevertheless was a solid career.

declansharbor 06-20-2016 03:49 PM

Is this simply a case of a horse that has "it" in the mornings still, but for one reason or another isnt really worried about hitting the finish line first anymore?

If such a thing even exists....

Pants II 06-20-2016 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1067521)
Is this simply a case of a horse that has "it" in the mornings still, but for one reason or another isnt really worried about hitting the finish line first anymore?

If such a thing even exists....

Prefers a woman on her back. Preferably one named Rosie.

freddymo 06-21-2016 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 1067508)
Glad they made the decision. But, I'm also glad they ran her as a 4 and 5YO.

Agreed but missing the 2016 breeding season is a 7 figure mistake

Kasept 06-21-2016 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1067537)
Agreed but missing the 2016 breeding season is a 7 figure mistake

I doubt Ron Winchell is beating himself up over that.

Pants II 06-21-2016 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1067539)
I doubt Ron Winchell is beating himself up over that.

:tro:

Doubtful he mustered a blink.

freddymo 06-21-2016 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1067539)
I doubt Ron Winchell is beating himself up over that.

Owning 50% of a stallion that produces 30 mil a year after year helps. Nonetheless one would think a lesson has been learned. This mare hadnt been "herself" for awhile, very sporting to give her a chance to reclaim her quality and finish her career on top. Nobody is keeping score nor suggesting Ron Winchell is distraught with missing a season. Just a observation it was the wrong decision which it turned out to be.

NTamm1215 06-21-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1067547)
Owning 50% of a stallion that produces 30 mil a year after year helps. Nonetheless one would think a lesson has been learned. This mare hadnt been "herself" for awhile, very sporting to give her a chance to reclaim her quality and finish her career on top. Nobody is keeping score nor suggesting Ron Winchell is distraught with missing a season. Just a observation it was the wrong decision which it turned out to be.

She lost the Spinster by a nose in her final start of 2015, and earlier in the year was beaten by the eventual BC Distaff winner and two horses who won multiple GIs. I don't think she was much worse in '15 than she was in '14, she was just facing better horses.

Alabama Stakes 06-21-2016 02:24 PM

The jock didn't do her any favors... Why woukd you fight with her instead of letting her run the way she wanted. First thing I would have asked the jock woulda been " what the **** were you doin out there you stupid little Bastid ?"

pointman 06-21-2016 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1067551)
The jock didn't do her any favors... Why woukd you fight with her instead of letting her run the way she wanted. First thing I would have asked the jock woulda been " what the **** were you doin out there you stupid little Bastid ?"

To be fair to Geroux, people have been making the observation that letting a horse that wants to go just run zaps less energy than fighting the horse likely well before the Roman's were racing in chariots, yet today jocks at racetracks everywhere seemingly still haven't figured this out.

freddymo 06-21-2016 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 1067549)
She lost the Spinster by a nose in her final start of 2015, and earlier in the year was beaten by the eventual BC Distaff winner and two horses who won multiple GIs. I don't think she was much worse in '15 than she was in '14, she was just facing better horses.

So what you are suggesting is she never got better? she lost to some ordinary G1 talent IMO. GMD, Wedding Toast, Call Pat, Sheer Drama? Have a heart she was electric , she beat U Forever like a bad habit. Got Lucky? Really ?

freddymo 06-21-2016 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 1067549)
She lost the Spinster by a nose in her final start of 2015, and earlier in the year was beaten by the eventual BC Distaff winner and two horses who won multiple GIs. I don't think she was much worse in '15 than she was in '14, she was just facing better horses.

She was done racing and her trainer is nit exactly the standard for bringing them back once they have lost form,, A case can be made he is the worst at returning them to form. This was a special animal in IMO in hands that never gave her the chance to be elite. I get I am bias, but IMO she was extraordinary and her record doesnt remotely reflect her talent

Alabama Stakes 06-21-2016 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1067557)
She was done racing and her trainer is nit exactly the standard for bringing them back once they have lost form,, A case can be made he is the worst at returning them to form. This was a special animal in IMO in hands that never gave her the chance to be elite. I get I am bias, but IMO she was extraordinary and her record doesnt remotely reflect her talent

Well put.

RHT2004 06-21-2016 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1067557)
She was done racing and her trainer is nit exactly the standard for bringing them back once they have lost form,, A case can be made he is the worst at returning them to form. This was a special animal in IMO in hands that never gave her the chance to be elite. I get I am bias, but IMO she was extraordinary and her record doesnt remotely reflect her talent

Was she ever special? Solid, sure.

freddymo 06-21-2016 09:10 PM

[quote=RHT2004;1067559]Was she ever special? Solid, sure.[/QUOTE]too date on their best day Songbird couldn't warm her up. And I think Songbird is as good as ANY 3 year old in 16 save Nyquist

RHT2004 06-21-2016 09:31 PM

[quote=freddymo;1067560]
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1067559)
Was she ever special? Solid, sure.[/QUOTE]too date on their best day Songbird couldn't warm her up. And I think Songbird is as good as ANY 3 year old in 16 save Nyquist


Songbird is good, but is beating up on nothing and has now missed by far the 2 biggest races for 3yr old fillies so far. I want go see her beat Carina Mia.... I dont think she can.
With that said Songbird>Untapable as far as I'm concerned.


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