You know, I guess I'm "old fashion". A person deserves the upmost respect for doing a job, getting it right, showing results and with CLASS. Joe Torre has done that the past 12 years. NO ONE deserves to end a great career this way with a team or job. Life does sometime suck...things like this make it that way!

youth movement -yes ,from within-yes, otherwise your in the same spot, you cant upgrade the 3 i mentioned if you lose them, you have to gradually make a shift

That bet...you will lose.

I sure if this happened to you in your job, you would feel betrayed and you too would have told them to kiss your ass.

By the way...who in your opinion is the best manager???

That answers everything....










next.

wait

the problem is not torre its the players mainly the pitching staff -no new coach will turn this bunch around anymore then torre

you wait it out because no manager is going to change that pitching staff that stinks. so you come to a understanding you have to rebuild and wait. mr steinbrenner should know by now you cant buy a ws. they need to bring up thier talent and wait

i just told you what they need to do

Cashman is more to blame than Torre. He spent the money, without building a descent pitching staff. K. Brown and R. Johnson were over the hill, Orabu that clown from the Braves who got 50 million and won about 3 games. There were too many free agent mistakes by Cashman. If your going to spend the money, get some effing pitching. Cashman should have been the one fired.

ive said that in past posts that cashman should go before torre

well if he bought 3 already with torre he can buy another 3 with joe.so maybe its cashman that should be rolling out of town instead of torre. maybe cashman is the reason with bad pickups instead of joe. i'm not letting my emotions base this-but a new coach will do no better with what they have or what they will get

i still think this situation is akin to the chargers after their season ended prematurely last year. makes as much sense to do this. how much is enough, or not enough? the guy averaged a ring every three years, postseason 12 years in a row. those are really good results. yeah, everyone wants their team to win out, but how realistic is that to be a legitimate expectation?? and how can anyone think that running off torre, after a hell of a run, and going with someone new, is an improvement? or that they now have a shot to duplicate his successes in the next 12 years? with who? a big name alone won't do it.

i hope they get the baseball version of norv turner. that would be the ultimate end result.

i think right now they don't even know what direction thier future should be. george loves to buy older vets to win now-that will only put them back in this spot in a few years. the way to go is bring up your talent and wait for them to develop -but i cant see steinbrenner sitting four 4 years waiting for a youth movement to form in new york