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The Indomitable DrugS 02-12-2007 04:34 PM

Shake You Down
 
Is in for $7,500 on Feb 15th going 4.5 furlongs at Charles Town

POINTGIVEN1985 02-12-2007 04:40 PM

its kinda sad

Danzig 02-12-2007 04:43 PM

shame we don't have money left over, we could buy this guy and retire him.

slotdirt 02-12-2007 05:14 PM

I wish someone would. Him and poor old Peeping Tom.

slotdirt 02-12-2007 05:15 PM

Check that - they finally did retire Peeping Tom!

I don't know though, if the horse is sound, why not run him?

Gander 02-12-2007 05:56 PM

Chuck town. A long way from Shake's glory days at Belmont, eh?
Man this horse was always so reliable singling on the front end of doubles and in the middle of pick 3's. I miss him being real racetracks and competing at high levels. I hope he doesnt hurt himself.

Scav 02-12-2007 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Is in for $7,500 on Feb 15th going 4.5 furlongs at Charles Town

What I want to know is why this trainer has no balls to tell this jerkoff Cole that he is being an idiot

Gander 02-12-2007 06:05 PM

Kind of the same reason you dont tell your boss hes an idiot :cool:

Scav 02-12-2007 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Kind of the same reason you dont tell your boss hes an idiot :cool:

I am not sure who the trainer even is, but he would get MORE horses for doing it, then looking like a schmuck by running him. I mean CHARLES TOWN....Next he will be running at the Hippodrome

Kasept 02-12-2007 06:09 PM

The trainer is Scott Lake.

Scav 02-12-2007 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
The trainer is Scott Lake.

Even more hatred now because he couldn't win the god damn 5th or 6th at Gulfstream on Saturday(5f turf race) for my pick three. Lake telling this guy to not run loses him ZERO business. ZERO. If anything, telling him that he will not take anymore of this owners horses will gain him business and good publicity, a good move for a guy who consistently has TEN POINT MOVE UPS (new user name that I absolutely LOVE)

Gander 02-12-2007 06:14 PM

Lake? Then that begs the question (much to Scav's point), doesnt Lake have any feelings for Shake You Down based on past successes? I mean if I were Lake, I would have trouble sleeping at night knowing I am putting this horse in harm's way for a measly $7,500.

Scav 02-12-2007 06:32 PM

I say we ride dirty down to Charlestown for a night and lay down in front of the starting gate before the race.......old school vietnam protesting.....

Cajungator26 02-12-2007 06:33 PM

If I had the $$, I'd claim him myself. :(

slotdirt 02-12-2007 07:30 PM

Well done, Kasept. I take particular note because I like Charles Town, but I hate seeing gamers like Shake You Down running 4.5f claimers at CT.

Thoroughbred Fan 02-12-2007 09:08 PM

One of my partners tried to claim him at Laurel when he was going in for $5k. He was going to just put the money up then retire the horse. He had our trainer call and ask about just selling him since he was gonna take him anyway. The jocks agent told the trainer that it wasn't the first call he had gotten like this. Suddenly, the assbag Cole scratches him and runs him back for $15k instead. He finished 3rd. My partner wasn't about to spend $15k to retire the horse, especially since Cole would have gotten the money. This horse deserves better, but more importantly, Cole should be embarassed.

randallscott35 02-12-2007 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Lake? Then that begs the question (much to Scav's point), doesnt Lake have any feelings for Shake You Down based on past successes? I mean if I were Lake, I would have trouble sleeping at night knowing I am putting this horse in harm's way for a measly $7,500.

Completely agree, but I'm not sure he gets it.

Swap Fliparoo 02-12-2007 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan
One of my partners tried to claim him at Laurel when he was going in for $5k. He was going to just put the money up then retire the horse. He had our trainer call and ask about just selling him since he was gonna take him anyway. The jocks agent told the trainer that it wasn't the first call he had gotten like this. Suddenly, the assbag Cole scratches him and runs him back for $15k instead. He finished 3rd. My partner wasn't about to spend $15k to retire the horse, especially since Cole would have gotten the money. This horse deserves better, but more importantly, Cole should be embarassed.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

philcski 02-12-2007 09:17 PM

What an ass clown. Seriously. This horse has meant so much to his owner, and Lake (before Lava Man, perhaps the greatest claim of all time), and they're doing their best to ruin his legacy or even worse, have him break down. Just retire the poor guy to the Horse Park.

I love SYD.

saucon17 02-12-2007 09:25 PM

In the lastest Bloodhorse magezine there is a big article
about Robert L. Cole Jr.

He has a quote about Shake You Down

He says "All I know is that he will always have home when he is done racing, that I can asuure you. I already have a home picked out for him at Tim Salzman farm in Carrol County. We're not going to run him any cheaper than $14,000, and obviously, we're not going to send him out there if we feel he can't win or if we feel his health is compromised. But we don't feel that way now"

Scav 02-12-2007 09:47 PM

Lake needs to get kicked in the balls and Cole needs to not only get kicked in the balls but also his teeth knocked out.

Hopefully people shut up and just claim the horse and retire him to Kentucky Horse Park, so it pisses Cole off.

And when Cole tries to buy him back, you make him sign a contract saying that this horse will not run in thoroghbred racing again.......

saucon17 02-12-2007 09:59 PM

I'm just wondering if this a ploy to just rattle racing fans and to
bring attention to themselves (Lake and Cole). Then they
would eventually just scratch him out of the race.

Scav 02-12-2007 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saucon17
I'm just wondering if this a ploy to just rattle racing fans and to
bring attention to themselves (Lake and Cole). Then they
would eventually just scratch him out of the race.

I doubt he runs, and if he runs, he will get claimed and retired, at least I hope

docicu3 02-12-2007 10:54 PM

90 seconds worth listening to.....
 
Should anybody want to hear how affected Mr Byk is by Coles decision to enter SYD at CT on Thursday in the 4 th race a $7500 claimer just listen to the last 2 minutes of ATRAB yesterday.

On ATRAB Monday besides bringing the entry of Shake You Down in Thursdays CT 4TH to light, Steve also reminded us of how self promoting Cole was last year about being passed over for an owners ECLIPSE nomination when he was a guest on ATRAB.

Byk's remarks about Cole's insane greedy plans for Shake You Down this Thursday night, highlighted the motivation of an ungrateful egocentric owner squeezing the last subpar performance possible from a loyal employee who has served master well and is more than deserving of a life without Scott Lake assistants treating him like another drone after a lengthy career that allows Cole and Lake to live like kings!!!!

Perhaps in farewell it would be more appropriate for Shake You Down to "moon" his present owner Thursday night in his final public appearance at Charles Town Racetrack. It's safe to say that a good look at the horses backside is about as close to an ECLIPSE award that Mr Cole will ever come.

Well done Byk.......if you need an increase in your blood pressure meds after that show just drop me a line.

DrDave

Thoroughbred Fan 02-13-2007 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Lake needs to get kicked in the balls and Cole needs to not only get kicked in the balls but also his teeth knocked out.

Hopefully people shut up and just claim the horse and retire him to Kentucky Horse Park, so it pisses Cole off.

And when Cole tries to buy him back, you make him sign a contract saying that this horse will not run in thoroghbred racing again.......

No need for any contract, you just sell him back without papers. Then he cannot race.

paisjpq 02-13-2007 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan
No need for any contract, you just sell him back without papers. Then he cannot race.

yeah but then he'll end up like all of michael Gill's former horses...on a double decker truck.:(

Sightseek 02-13-2007 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
yeah but then he'll end up like all of michael Gill's former horses...on a double decker truck.:(

You mean the Michael Gill who deserved the Eclipse for Outstanding Owner? :rolleyes:

paisjpq 02-13-2007 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
You mean the Michael Gill who deserved the Eclipse for Outstanding Owner? :rolleyes:

the one and only:mad:

capbettr 02-13-2007 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan
No need for any contract, you just sell him back without papers. Then he cannot race.

Duplicate copies of a horses papers can be obtained/ purchased from the Jockey Club.

If you don't want the horse to race again, you don't sell it. Otherwise, it's the buyer's perogative.....

PT

Scav 02-13-2007 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phystech
Duplicate copies of a horses papers can be obtained/ purchased from the Jockey Club.

If you don't want the horse to race again, you don't sell it. Otherwise, it's the buyer's perogative.....

PT

PT, I have heard that people that sell horses for retirement have created contracts where it is written to where the horse is not allowed to race anymore, thus a binding agreement. You could easily get a injunction(?) and force the horse to scratch if you had this contract as it would be legally binding.

AeWingnut 02-13-2007 11:10 AM

"Rick's Natural Star. Horse was tied to a tree overnight outside a motel on his way to a Breeders' Cup race. He finished last by the length of the homestretch."

I forget who did it but someone claimed Rick's Natural Star and retired him
for the good of the horse and the good of racing

capbettr 02-13-2007 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
PT, I have heard that people that sell horses for retirement have created contracts where it is written to where the horse is not allowed to race anymore, thus a binding agreement. You could easily get a injunction(?) and force the horse to scratch if you had this contract as it would be legally binding.

That makes a lot of sense so, indeed, a contract that specifically states the sale is not for racing purposes would probably hold water in a court of law.

I have seen it where a seller simply writes "NOT FOR RACING" on a horse's papers but does not specify no racing in the sales contract. Then, the buyer simply applied for a new set of papers by claiming he/she has "lost" the original.

PT

AeWingnut 02-13-2007 11:45 AM

I'm afraid to say there are worse things than racing for $7,500 like he could end up as French cuisine. :(

Linny 02-13-2007 11:49 AM

The Jockey Club doesn't recognize the "marking" of papers. You simply get new ones. It's sad the the American Jockey Club is more interested in the protection of the bloodline than they are of the protection of the thoroughbreds that give them a purpose to exist.
A perfect example is Phantom on Tour who was outplaced and went through several owners before turning back up at a track many years later. At any time, the owner of the thoroughbred, for whatever reason, should have the right to permantently end that horse's racing career.

There is a movement afoot in the riding/sport horse world to put pressure on the JC to add to the database, a permanent designation "not for racing purposes." Since this is a racing board, I won't bore y'all with the "why's and wherefor's" but suffice to say it will help horses who really should be away from the track.


As to SYD, this poor horse can't breathe and should be frolicking in a pasture or learning to carry a rider to small jumps or go out for trail ride.

Buffymommy 02-13-2007 12:07 PM

I want a horse. Anyone want to buy him for me? I just want to do some entry level dressage and no higher than say 2'3 jumps. I would make an excellent horsie mommy....

I would even change my name to "shakeyoudownmommy".

Samm 02-13-2007 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phystech
That makes a lot of sense so, indeed, a contract that specifically states the sale is not for racing purposes would probably hold water in a court of law.

I have seen it where a seller simply writes "NOT FOR RACING" on a horse's papers but does not specify no racing in the sales contract. Then, the buyer simply applied for a new set of papers by claiming he/she has "lost" the original.

PT

You contact the jockey club and tell them the horse is not to race... simple as that

pickinemup 02-13-2007 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Is in for $7,500 on Feb 15th going 4.5 furlongs at Charles Town

back to his proper level prior to all the needles...is this a surprise?

Linny 02-13-2007 05:25 PM

The JC has no designation in their database for nonracing, papered TB's. papers make him eleigible. If someone marks them before selling a horse and that horse fall into the "wrong hands" down the line the "wrong" person needs only to request new papers of the JC and presto! instant RACEhorse.

khcnz 02-13-2007 06:09 PM

I just don't get all the criticism. If all the people nastily criticizing Cole/Lake are so upset by them racing their horse, then go to CT with the money and go claim him. Then you can do with him as you wish. Otherwise, stop whining.


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