Moss Pace Figures
 

Has anyone been using or developed any early thoughts on the "Moss Pace Figures"? I apologize if this has already been addressed.

Enlighten me on these,First I heard of them.

So far, for me, they just cloudy up a picture that is never clear

not this guy with figures, whats next kenny maine odds making

If you don't like the figures thats fine but don't take a shot at a guy who is the most knowledgeable T.V. persona for the game. He has been around a long while and definetly knows what the heck he is talking about as evidenced by getting his figures published in the DRF.

Thank you...couldn't have said it better myself.

Aside from the above statements, Randy Moss has been making figures for many years as part of Beyer Associates, and he has been working tirelessly in developing these pace figures for years now. Pace figures can be an incredibly useful instrument for any player and I think anybody playing would be wise to at least take an opportunity to find out for themselves.

Whatever works for you as a player is fine but in a game that is very tough to come even close to beating it will never hurt to understand as many facets of the game as possible. These figures could absolutely help handicappers understand how races were run in the past and perhaps how they will be run in the future.

seems like a nice guy with a genuine passion for the game, but most knowledgeable? LOL strongly disagree there!

Which mainstream TV personality do you find more knowledgable than Randy? I'm actually curious.

for starters jeanine edwards

I think she does a terrific job but I also believe Randy is more knowledgable about the game, especially from a player's perspective, and I would hazard a guess that Jeanine Edwards would probably agree.

well again i strongly disagree and i think randy's on air handicapping is absolutely brutal and i would hazard a guess that many agree with me on that

I don't know playa, he picks the bud longshot and there was a time where he hit like 6 in a row or something some time back, not only that but his reasoning is solid. Solid consistent correct reasoning is the only way to beat this game....

Personally I think Randy Moss is the best thing that ever happened to racing on mainstream television. However, that is irrelevent to the real discussion of this thread. Pace figures in general can be a real asset to any serious player and I think people here owe it to themselves to at least take a look at them and see if they can incorperate them into their handicapping. Every one of us can become better players and if not make more money then lose less. How can that be bad?

Under races of the week section on the DRF you can also choose to download PP's with or without the Moss Pace Figures to give them a try.

i feel more confident in my selections when i'm watching and moss chooses the same horse! i think he is very knowledgable, and he and jeanine are a formidable duo on-air.

I think Moss is pretty much the only Positive with respect to on-air racing (exluding TVG and all the other dish/cable networks) broadcasts. With that being said, i think the worst thing for horse racing is Kenny Maine. He's..... brutal with his dry awkward jokes that don't get picked up on by colleagues . The worst, is when they show a re-run of a race run previously in the day and he says "not gonna tell ya, watch out for ..." basically ruins the whole f*cking race, might as well just look at the damn chart. Oh yeah, he's also an automatic hedge in my book, he can't cap for sh!t
Jeanine Edwards has some smarts (and a hell of a pair of legs), I believe she was on the MD circuit for a while before she was called up to the big leagues. As far as her capping, i don't think she brings much to the table.... she does interviews, tells how the horses are acting/looking, then her day is done. She = Charlsy Canty

-bt-

i'd take jeanine over charlsie any day of the week!!

kenny is a cool guy..hes a smartass..but hey no one expects him to give anything of merit..moss towers over the tv guys in knowlage and credibility

bob numier lol hamerin hank lol...charlsie..though i credit her for here work with the after racing things..needs to get hit with a pie on the air..

hank would eat it before anyone could get nailed.

Haven't used these particular figures yet but have found the equibase pace figures to be incredibly useful in the past. They were especially useful on the old Keeneland course where you needed to be on the lead. There were lots of races where you'd find a horse that had been on the lead three straight races but with very poor pace figures and another horse that had been 2nd or 3rd in their last three with much higher pace figures. Sure enough the horse that had been to the lead three races in a row would get hammered while my horse woud get ignored and when they broke my horse would break on top. Anyone not using pace figures would be screaming at the idiot jockey for not getting their horse to break on top. Simple pace figures would have made it obvious that their horse wasn't fast enough to break on top in that race. So I think it would be foolish for anyone to discount them from their capping especially since I imagine pace figures by Randy Moss will blow away equibase's pace figures.

I like Moss a lot. I don't really care about his handicapping
(though I see how some people would). I just like hearing someone who is both articulate and knowledgable. I also used to like John Vietch as well for the same reasons when he was on. I don't care for Kenny Mayne's routine but he obviously has his fans and perhaps has some appeal to non-traditional fans or racing. I suppose that's why he's there.

I tried them yesterday at Gulfstream. It will take me a while to figure them out, butI like the idea.

I haven't used Moss figures yet, but I've been a big fan of the Bris product for a long time and am happy to see DRF make the improvement. As for Moss himself, I respect his opinion over just about any public handicapper. His record speaks for itself as for what he's done in the figure making industry.

As for Mayne...love him. Some people take it way to seriously, but Mayne adds a few laughs if you give him a chance. I don't value his handicapping, but I do like him for entertainment purposes.

while I would agree Edwards is fine as racings "sideline reporter" she is so far from the type of racing knowledge that Moss has.

Moss pace figures might be a good thing but reading through the DRF website there sure is very little on how best to use them, I would assume the Moss on Pace" book is coming next.

I also think its a travesty that Beyer and Moss could not work together and have the numbers at least correspond.

What is the travesty of this? One fig is pace; the other final time. How should they correspond? Final may be a partial function of pace but it's certainly more interpretive than correlational.

Read Brohammer's book "Modern Pace Handicapping." He explains the Sartain methodology and Quirin's shapes which are the foundation for most sophisticated pace handicapping today.

I was talking more about the beginner who stumbles onto the new figures.

Mabey we can get Chris Lincon to do some next. People should stick to what they are good at instead of spreading themselves thin.

Kenny Mayne is the poor mans Bill Murray. And by poor man I mean ethiopian poor.

damn thats just wrong lol:D

moss pace figs
 

what do ya'll think of the moss pace figs, think they will help like thorograph or beyer numbers.

They didn't help him in the Holy Bull. He left out Drums of Thunder.