Beyer on the newest wise guy
 

I was at gulfstream a couple of days the last week or two and was kinda dumbfounded by a longshot which paid alot of coin. The trainer had never raced a horse in 2006/7 and his name started and ended with a vowel. The jockey also drew a blank with me, as did his stats. I drew my conclusions and said to myself, " oh , well " another putover at gulfstream. I didn't dwell on it and had pretty much forgotten about it until I just happened upon an Andy Beyer column on the very same subject, from Feb. 6th at the DRF. Apparently Andy just couldn't help but find out what gives with both the trainer and the stable. An amusing story awaits ..........

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do...6&subs=0&arc=0

I begged him not to write that story.

for what reason, if I may ask?

Think if may have a detrimental effect on racing in some way?

Only a detrimental effect on how many horseplayers now know about them!

that was the first thought that popped in my mind...the longer they are a secret, they better for those that follow in great detail.


and can we delete this whole thread???

He's even worse than that wiseguy putover artist Fred Seitz!

I'll have a collision with Collision in tomorrow's 8th.

Filthy damn unraced-maiden races. The absolute sewer portion of the sport.

Manning pulled one of these a few years ago. Not 30-1, but I remember something like this....Maybe it was the same year Gil had trainers sawing horses legs off.

That was that Grand horse that won the Pennsylvania Derby and was sold to Godolphin.

These guys won with TWO firsters and another claimer putover.

That's right. Of course at the time, you didn't know it was a world beater....Doubtful this new guys horses will be bought by the Arabs.

Grande Hombre....won his debut at GP by 4 lengths, at 14/1 odds for Manning--in very fast time....just about everything behind him came back to win their next start.

For a trivia, name the 4th place finisher in that MSW race?

Hint: he reeled off 5 straight wins, including the Dwyer and Jim Dandy after that maiden loss

Strong Hope?

Strong Hope.

Joe What?

correct on Strong Hope.

I love Fred Seitz! May Night! Hard luck filly..

Lets not speak of May Night, got ZERO trip last night and ran an unbelievable 4th or 5th, and would have won the race with a hole, Gomez had the most horse I have ever seen a single jockey have in that race on the final turn.....She was in front by 4 lengths about 8 jumps after the wire.....

I respect Andy Beyer but this story is almost implausable. There are so many gaps in the story....they learned to put over 1 st timers in Puerto Rico and Ocala? How does one trainer train for another under a stable name? Etc....

Can't be lata e nuff.

Man, one of my favorite scores of all time was an unraced filly out of Nashua that went off at around 20-1 in the 3rd race at Hialeah back in about 1979.

Maidens, and a short race. Something else I liked about her besides the Nashua-filly connection. It might have been the jockey. In those days, if a jockey by the name of Wayne Crews was on a horse in a short race, the horse ALWAYS deserved a 2nd and 3rd look. Crews came up on the quarter horse tracks and with little notice was the best "gate jockey" in South Florida in those days.

A perfect storm of wagering in those spring days of south Florida.....pre wagering technology.

Anyhow, I had some nice dog track trifecta $$ from the night before, and ended up with a wild $200 on the nose bet on the Nashua filly.

She won of course. Otherwise I wouldn't remember this story 28 years later!

I went and bought a good bottle of liquor with my proceeds, and spent the next three days with the prettiest girl I knew in Fort Lauderdale at the time.

She was a solid favorite.

We ordered in quite a bit that weekend.

figured as much, and had 2nd thoughts of posting it, but figured that once it was on DRF, the cat was out of the bag.

As far as another trainer getting one of the horses and running it in that trainers name goes; last year a guy I knew put me on to a horse that was from Fingers and shipped in to NY and was running under another trainers name. He found it out by going back to a past FL race and saw who the trainer was. However; I have to agree with CS that there are some definite holes in the story. Maybe Andy only wrote part of the story, heard from a MD friend that he isn't having the best of wagering years. :cool:

I think he wrote the whole story. And, you can tell your friend in Maryland he's wrong, Beyer's been doing very well so far this year.

Ouch . Didnot mean to step on toes. I'm sure Andy does just fine for himself. You Andys gotta stick together. :D

No problem...you just got misinformation.

Wonder Why Same Stable 2 Different Trainers. I Am Assuming It Is Not A Stable With Many Horses. Also, Do Any Of You Buy That Crap About Not Caring About Cashing On $60 Or $70 Debut Winners?

I believe the story went that he didn't have enough stalls for his horses, so he had him in a Dubis Chaparoo stall. This type of stuff can play real havoc with trainer stats . We will never know about the "caring" thing though, although I hear he will have a new column in the DRF , "Ask Gisiuppe' " :D

Not very hard to put one over when your training at Classic Mile in Ocala when there is no clocker. You put what you want for the workouts. I believe Grand Hombre had 4 works of a half mile. Each slower than 52..lol..I myself would have put some obscure jockey on(not Prado) I believe he went 1:08 and change, so any jock would have done fine that day...

Just another reason why Andy Beyer is God.

:::runs away from all the Beyer haters:::

:D

Seriously though, I love when he calls up these unknown owners to get to the bottom of the things. Dude is a good kind of paranoid.

Excellent read, thanks for posting it.

Its strange when the owner IS a trainer

yo, cause i am on a roll,

help with the kiss of death at balmoral angle

Shar....gotta disagree with ya hun. Owner/Driver/Trainer in harness is huge angle to play.

um kiddo...Tony Morgan aint riding there anymore. He's at Dover Downs..has been for a while