Gulfstream Allowance draws Jazil, Corinthian
 

Gulfstream Park - February 8th, 2007 - Race 7
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:21 PM
Race Type: Allowance Optional Claiming
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Four Year Old and Upward
Purse: $48,000
Distance:One And One Eighth Miles
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name Claiming Price
1 King of Jazz (MB) 5 Gelding 120 Edgar S. Prado $0
2 Corinthian (KY) 4 Colt 120 Javier Castellano $0
3 Letterman's Humor (KY) 5 Horse 120 Eduardo O. Nunez $60,000
4 Juniper Knight (KY) 5 Horse 120 Rosemary B. Homeister, Jr. $0
5 Suave Baron (FL) 4 Gelding 120 Cecilio Penalba $60,000
6 Doc Cheney (KY) 4 Colt 120 Joe Bravo $0
7 Jazil (KY) 4 Colt 120 Fernando Jara $0
8 Too Good (KY) 4 Colt 122 Manoel R. Cruz $0

Doc Cheney! :D

Even I can't see that happening. That horse has had too many easier chances that he failed to produce in.

Toss 'em both for the $ baby!

doc cheney was in pretty bad physical shape while running last year, hopefully hes better

I was halfway joking, Andy... LOL

I doubt he wins, but I could see him getting up for 2nd or 3rd.

I haven't looked at the pps yet. I imagine on a fair track Jazil will be very tough. I have zero confidence in Corinthian but he certainly can win. None of the other names jumped out at me so I don't see why Doc Cheney can't get a piece.

This is Jazil's second race off a layoff, correct? Other than breaking from an outside post on the silly track configuration, I like his chances.

Other than breaking from an outside post on the silly track configuration, I like his chances.

I think this is an overused excuse for horses who lose at low odds, SNS is one of them. If a horse is good enough he can win breaking from the outside. It will not hurt Jazil's chances one bit but he may need an excuse if he burns more money.

in an 8 horse field, I don't think it will hurt his chances either... but SNS from the 12 hole had to be a negative... he may not have been good enough to win anyway... but that was really a disadvantage IMO.

While constant excuses become tiresome, the outside in 1 1/8 mile races is a potential liability, though for a closer like Jazil who will likely drop back quickly it is less of a disadvantage. Plus, post seven is a lot different that post 11 or 12.

I couldn't agree more.

I dont think SNS was compromised the slightest bit by his post. Ramon did a great job and he had a shot to win, he even looked like a winner turning for home. Excuses for horses who are overbet are getting old.

Jazil could break from any hole and still be where hes going to be, dead last for the majority of the race.

I completely disagree. While Dominguez did a good job under the circumstances, five or six wide on the first turn is a huge disadvantage, and certainly at least contributed to Sweetnorthernsaint's defeat.

I understand what you're saying, but how to you explain the stat that only one horse in the past 3 years has won from the 10 post or farther outside? (not my stat, read it on drf.com) are they all overbet favorites?

more importantly..panty raid comes back in the 8th.......working well. for the return..this was to be a stakes filly..

Jazil, Corinthian in Gulf Allowance
 

Gulfstream Park - February 8th, 2007 - Race 7
Estimated Local Post Time: 4:21 PM
Race Type: Allowance Optional Claiming
Breed: Thoroughbred
Age Restriction: Four Year Old and Upward
Purse: $48,000
Distance:One And One Eighth Miles
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse Name Age Sex Weight Jockey Name Claiming Price
1 King of Jazz (MB) 5 Gelding 120 Edgar S. Prado $0
2 Corinthian (KY) 4 Colt 120 Javier Castellano $0
3 Letterman's Humor (KY) 5 Horse 120 Eduardo O. Nunez $60,000
4 Juniper Knight (KY) 5 Horse 120 Rosemary B. Homeister, Jr. $0
5 Suave Baron (FL) 4 Gelding 120 Cecilio Penalba $60,000
6 Doc Cheney (KY) 4 Colt 120 Joe Bravo $0
7 Jazil (KY) 4 Colt 120 Fernando Jara $0
8 Too Good (KY) 4 Colt 122 Manoel R. Cruz $0

What a great name for a horse. The name alone makes me want to bet on her.

Jazil should crush that field -- if he doesn't then retire him.

Running style combined with GP makes him no cinch. While he should crush the field can easily see him not win. Corinthian does not intrigue me at all and agree Doc Cheney has had too many chances. Prado on King of Jazz possibly? Is he in Nafzger barn now or Zito?

I guess anybody can change their mind(so I won't call it a lie,) but I am pretty sure this trainer said he would never bring Jazil to this track again.Said he just didn't do well (in any way)when brought to Southern Florida.

When was that? After the FOY last year? They've been pointing him to either the Donn or Gulfstream Park Handicap since December so apparently they've been over it for a while.

Perhaps it wasnt him not doing well in S Florida but fact he had not developed yet during those races. Never been a big fan of this horse and while he may prove me wrong I more likely see him as a plodder who earns his share of checks but rarely comes through. A loss in this allowance will again be ripe with excuses about bias and post but in all honesty I think horse is OK nothing more.

I saw jazil run at gulfstream last winter in an allowance race prep with Corinthian for the FOY. I was impressed with both of their tenacity down the stretch in that one. Now he came in 2nd in an allowance race at AQ, and is being entered for another allowance race to tighten him up. The word from Helen Pitts was that she is going to run Einstein on the dirt on March 3rd in the GPHandicap. Jazil is also being pointed to the same race, and judging from Einsteins turf prep race last week, McGlaughlin needs to put more into Jazil, to take him on. The race is 1 3/16, so we shall see what happens. I'm going to try to be at gulfstream thursday for the Jazil vs Coriinthian allowance race, so i'll report back if i make it there.

I guess the only way Einstein has any breeding value is if he gets a reasonable Graded Stakes victory but his dirt wins are in off-the turf races and he is unlikely to be competitive in any even mildly decent dirt races.

Frankly, I am skeptical about him winning anything from here on out, as his turf stakes win at Gulfstream was the result of loafing on the lead in an absurdly slow pace. His fourth to English Channel and Cacique at Churchill was decent but the layoff and subsequent so-so return have me highly dubious of his future chances. I know he had some traffic that day but I was not impressed at all with his race.

That was on the day before the Wood Memorial.

"He bled a little bit...and so we got him out of Florida....We blame it more on the climate down there....more than the horse.....He's not a bleeder...He's never bled all year...We got him out of Florida,and he has trained very well up here in New York."-Kiaren M.-4-07-06 ATRAB

The climate down here stinks. It's too damn muggy.

aux contraire mon ami ! I think the pump is primed and I will be supporting him in his next outing. I was paddocking his last race and it seemed to me the trainer gave the jock some very specific late directions. We will see who shows up besides Jazil for the race, but at the 1 3/16 distance, the race should play a bit fairer than the 1 1/8 distance has historically. I've got my finish line seat and look forward to the race. :cool:

Pointgiven:

If you can make that race in person let us know -- nothing like seeing things in person. The road he's on makes me wonder if Jazil is OK or whether we'll see a quick retirement soon.

Lotta people here hate Jazil. He's a gamer and his Belmont was stronger than people give him credit for.

Maybe I'm just extra hopeful because I love the horse, but I don't think the two preps in allowances are that much of a worry. He probably needed to get out of the barn and there are not too many stakes suited to him this time of the year. They've stated the Gulfstream race (with a back-up in Dubai should Invasor not make it) for months now. I think Shadwell is pretty keen to know this is a horse who is going to need things to go just right for him (in both pace & distance) to be standing in the winner's circle again.

I don't think it should be a big concern. Keep in mind they were preparing him for the Donn as a backup to Invasor so maybe they just decided he was too keyed up and they needed to get him a race now.

Corinthian jogs, wins this race for fun.... i make every bet i say im going to make on this site, and im thinking of putting $500 to win on him, i like him alot in this spot. Jazil is the most overrated horse in the history of horse racing.

I would never put a penny on that spaz Corinthian. . . You just can't trust a horse like him. . .

most in the history of horse racing??? surely not! there've been a lot of overrated horses out there. he's only run once since the belmont, not enough time on the track to really build hype.
it's to be expected he would win again. but i don't think i'd say he's overrated.

Wow, what a post. Most overrated horse in the history of horse racing. If you're looking to be a rabble-rouser, then congratulations.

NT

Hyperbole.

I'm an equal-opportunity hyperbole spotter.

i make every bet i say im going to make on this site, and im thinking of putting $500 to win on him, i like him alot in this spot. Jazil is the most overrated horse in the history of horse racing.

How do you go from making $20 WPS bets to a $500 win bet? You must be crazier than me. Peronally I like the bet and agree Corinthian will win today. Am I putting $500 on him? No way. Just rooting for him as I do all Jerkens horses.

In addition to that, who, at 21 years old has $500 to throw around? I must have been at the poor college back in my day.

NT

In addition to that, who, at 21 years old has $500 to throw around?

Somebody who lives at home with Mommy and Daddy and has no bills.

And a great job in addition to that I guess.

NT

Something about deep closers that gets them a big "fan club". Deep closers always have at least 2 excuses before they enter the gate. They made there move either too soon or too late. One thing is a constant . It is always something or somebody that caused the defeat of a deep closer.