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POINTGIVEN1985 02-01-2007 01:48 PM

The Donn This Saturday
 
Chatain seems to have drawn very well and is getting 9 pounds from invasor i hope they run him saturday because i think he has a huge shot to win this race

Buffymommy 02-01-2007 01:50 PM

OK, Hesanoldsalt is entered in this race. Seems like his last workout was good. I like him in this spot.

blackthroatedwind 02-01-2007 01:51 PM

9th (5:23)
Donn H. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Invasor (ARG) Jara F 123 L
2 Halos Sailing Sain Bravo J 112 L
3 A. P. Arrow Desormeaux K J 112 L
4 Chatain Velasquez C 114 L
5 Tap Dancing Mauk Nunez E O 112 L
6 Hesanoldsalt Bejarano R 114 L
7 Magna Graduate Velazquez J R 118 L
8 Barcola Castellano J J 110 L
9 Strong Contender Prado E S 117 L

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 01:57 PM

I like Magna Graduate.

blackthroatedwind 02-01-2007 01:57 PM

Yet another example of why Handicaps are absurd in this country.

Invasor is giving five pounds to Magna Graduate and six to Strong Contendor.

Gander 02-01-2007 01:59 PM

Let me take a shot at a ML...

1 Invasor (ARG) Jara F 123 L 3/5
2 Halos Sailing Sain Bravo J 112 L 30/1
3 A. P. Arrow Desormeaux K J 112 L 12/1
4 Chatain Velasquez C 114 L 8/1
5 Tap Dancing Mauk Nunez E O 112 L 50/1
6 Hesanoldsalt Bejarano R 114 L 20/1
7 Magna Graduate Velazquez J R 118 L 9/2
8 Barcola Castellano J J 110 L 40/1
9 Strong Contender Prado E S 117 L 7/2

The Indomitable DrugS 02-01-2007 02:01 PM

I agree.

And it looks like the post draw offset whatever little edge those two might have been given from Invasor on the weights.

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 02:01 PM

On second thought, I like A. P. Arrow here too. I need to look at this stuff when I get home. I wish I was going to be down there this weekend.

slotdirt 02-01-2007 02:03 PM

Confusion: are you saying Invasor should be carrying more weight or less? I'd say if it's truly a "handicap," he should be carrying considerably more than the others entered. I'd like Magna Graduate if he hadn't ran so terribly last time I saw him on Breeders Cup day.

Sightseek 02-01-2007 02:04 PM

Boggie Boggs & Longley in the same race on this card too, yeah!

The Indomitable DrugS 02-01-2007 02:05 PM

Invasor should be carrying more than 123lbs and the spread of weights should be greater than they are

blackthroatedwind 02-01-2007 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
Confusion: are you saying Invasor should be carrying more weight or less? I'd say if it's truly a "handicap," he should be carrying considerably more than the others entered. I'd like Magna Graduate if he hadn't ran so terribly last time I saw him on Breeders Cup day.

Of course he should be carrying more. DrugS is too stupid to understand common sense.

Magna Graduate is the biggest pitch in history. His phony win at Aqueduct was as bias aided as a race can be.

Gander 02-01-2007 02:06 PM

Confusion: are you saying Invasor should be carrying more weight or less? I'd say if it's truly a "handicap," he should be carrying considerably more than the others entered. I'd like Magna Graduate if he hadn't ran so terribly last time I saw him on Breeders Cup day.

I didnt get this either. I thought 5-6 was pretty fair. Its a prep anyways, and you know they wont be trying very hard. Good bet against in my opinion.

Magna Grad looked pretty darn good last time I saw him run. Granted he didnt beat much that day and there may have been a speed bias, but he looked like a new horse. I mean really good.

tycharles01 02-01-2007 02:08 PM

AP Arrow looks like a strong second to Invasor in this one.

Invasor gets the #1 hole will blow this field away

Antitrust32 02-01-2007 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
On second thought, I like A. P. Arrow here too. I need to look at this stuff when I get home. I wish I was going to be down there this weekend.

come on down!

blackthroatedwind 02-01-2007 02:14 PM

AP Arrow? He stinks. He's never run a good race in his life.

Gander 02-01-2007 02:15 PM

Dont be a hater. Hes a fine piece of horse flesh.

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
AP Arrow? He stinks. He's never run a good race in his life.

LMAO

I'll take my chances. :p

Lori,

I can't make it down, unfortunately... I have my son this weekend. Last weekend was his Dad's weekend to have him, so it worked out.

tycharles01 02-01-2007 02:16 PM

A few nice races down there on Sat.

A 5 horse sprint race with 5 pretty decent horses in it

Holy Bull gets Scat daddy Sam P Nobiz Drums of Thunder Bold Start

Forefathers in the Swale

Buffymommy 02-01-2007 02:17 PM

OK, but when my 20-1 shot comes in don't say I didn't tell you so....

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tycharles01
A few nice races down there on Sat.

A 5 horse sprint race with 5 pretty decent horses in it

Holy Bull gets Scat daddy Sam P Nobiz Drums of Thunder Bold Start

Forefathers in the Swale

Scat Daddy... :cool:

The Indomitable DrugS 02-01-2007 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Of course he should be carrying more. As DrugS, who is the sexiest man alive, said in the post above me.

Fixed that for you.

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Fixed that for you.

Haha :D

Post some pics then, will you? I could use some entertainment at work.

slotdirt 02-01-2007 02:25 PM

If this were the old days, Invasor would be carrying 130.

avance2000 02-01-2007 02:28 PM

perhaps i am missing something, but why in hell would anyone in their right mind bet a dime on any horse in this race not named invasor?
these other horses don't stand much of a chance in my opinion. will invasor be at his best? who cares? his worst race in this country is better than any race run by any of the other horses in this field.
betting against invasor in this race would be crazy.
ap arrow?
magna graduate?
wtf?

avance2000 02-01-2007 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
AP Arrow? He stinks. He's never run a good race in his life.

this is the only post in this entire thread that makes any sense to me.

Buffymommy 02-01-2007 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avance2000
perhaps i am missing something, but why in hell would anyone in their right mind bet a dime on any horse in this race not named invasor?
these other horses don't stand much of a chance in my opinion. will invasor be at his best? who cares? his worst race in this country is better than any race run by any of the other horses in this field.
betting against invasor in this race would be crazy.
ap arrow?
magna graduate?
wtf?


Because we KNOW he is going have such LOW odds that is it really worth picking him to win? Nah, we want to go where the money is. :)

Gander 02-01-2007 02:31 PM

Hes coming off a layoff and its a prep for a race that has significance (Dubai World Cup).

They laughed at Mccans Mojave too.

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avance2000
perhaps i am missing something, but why in hell would anyone in their right mind bet a dime on any horse in this race not named invasor?
these other horses don't stand much of a chance in my opinion. will invasor be at his best? who cares? his worst race in this country is better than any race run by any of the other horses in this field.
betting against invasor in this race would be crazy.
ap arrow?
magna graduate?
wtf?

If this was 100% true, the other horses should just scratch. There are going to be times when Invasor loses... it may happen this weekend.

Danzig 02-01-2007 02:35 PM

he should win easy. but i wouldn't bet him. why walk to collect .05 on the dollar? not worth setting an alarm clock for that!

Danzig 02-01-2007 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
If this was 100% true, the other horses should just scratch. There are going to be times when Invasor loses... it may happen this weekend.

second money will pay well..and then you can also put graded stakes placed on the stallion page...

avance2000 02-01-2007 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buffymommy
Because we KNOW he is going have such LOW odds that is it really worth picking him to win? Nah, we want to go where the money is. :)

invasor is an absolute steal at 3/5 against the mules in this race.
betting invasor in this race is worth it for the same reason that picking up free money off the ground is worth it.

Cajungator26 02-01-2007 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avance2000
invasor is an absolute steal at 3/5 against the mules in this race.
betting invasor in this race is worth it for the same reason that picking up free money off the ground is worth it.

I doubt he'll go off at 3/5.

avance2000 02-01-2007 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
If this was 100% true, the other horses should just scratch. There are going to be times when Invasor loses... it may happen this weekend.

i completely disagree. one of these bums is going to pick up a nice paycheck for second place.

avance2000 02-01-2007 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I doubt he'll go off at 3/5.

what do you think he'll go off at?

Buffymommy 02-01-2007 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avance2000
invasor is an absolute steal at 3/5 against the mules in this race.
betting invasor in this race is worth it for the same reason that picking up free money off the ground is worth it.


Sometimes it is not worth bending over to pick up a penny off the ground. :p

Danzig 02-01-2007 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buffymommy
Sometimes it is not worth bending over to pick up a penny off the ground. :p

depends on who's right behind you.;)

POINTGIVEN1985 02-01-2007 02:44 PM

its a nice card, but it could have been alot better with ec in the turf race and pt in the donn. i still like chatain

Buffymommy 02-01-2007 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig188
depends on who's right behind you.;)


That is true if Matthew Macfadyen was standing behind me I may do the bend/snap to pick up that penny. :eek:

avance2000 02-01-2007 02:47 PM

so let's say invasor is 2/5 or even 1/5 and some horse like AP Arrow is 15/1. ap arrow is still not a good bet. this horse has never won a graded stakes race. are the odds really only 15/1 that he will win the race. NO!!!!! it would take an act of god for him to win.
i'm all for finding a good horse at a price....but there are times (like this) when the entire field is so overmatched by one horse that it doesn't even make sense to look for value. there isn't any.


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