GS Sat not as good as thought??
 

Well it seems the Donn wont be that good. Premium Tap is out and Chatain might be out to unless he gets a good post

Wow owners must not like those big 2nd and 3rd place checks

EC a no go in the turf:( Must be because his rabbit cant run!!!

However the Bull looks GREAT with Nobiz,Scat Daddy, and Drums of Thunder all going

Disgusted
 

i am disgusted, i know barbaro died and it really hit me when i first herd the news, that horse was a champion and a fighter... but horse racing does go on and i was so pumped up about donn day this saturday now im not even sure if i want to go anymore. premium tap is likely out, chatain is likely out of the donn... english channel is also not running... these trainers ducking other horses in my opinion is pathetic, i loved chatain chances against invasor, and now with him and premium tap likely out your looking at something like 1-5 on invasor, a great race turning into just another race in my opinion.

I noticed there's also a G1 Breeders Cup turf event later in Feb. at Gulfstream as well...I can see why maybe English Channel is pointing there.

That is dissapointing about Premium Tap...I think he had a shot if Invasor was using this strictly as a tune-up for Dubai.

Apparently Beth's request earlier fell on deaf ears.

EC not running is no big surprise to be honest. Had to figure something was amiss when he has not been working much at all.

wouldn't want me to get lazy

im sorry i did not see this thread.. thats the truth its not a case of me doing this purposley i just read it on drf.com and got so mad i came here to post... im sorry ... did anyone else think chatain had a shot to beat invasor cause i thought he had a huge chance

The connections said after the Hal's Hope they were far from certain about the Donn.

This horse just made his third career start the first week of his 4YO year, and it is the beginning of a long year, perhaps throwing him to the wolves immediately might not be the wisest move. It's a long year and there will be plenty of opportunities.

Oh, and no, he had next to no shot of beating Invasor.

did anyone else think chatain had a shot to beat invasor cause i thought he had a huge chance

No. I thought he was a horse who would take wise guy money is all. Big deal, he beats Sir Greeley and SNS. Doesnt make him a threat against Invasor.

I thought Premium Tap would have been a great bet in here.

Chatain is not OUT!!! Connections said they will enter him and see what kind of post he gets

He can always use the post position as an excuse.

Speaking of that, anybody really think the post position did SNS in on Sat?
I sure dont. Looked like a perfect trip to me and I thought for sure he was a winner on the far turn.

i must be honest.... i feel invasor is very overated... there are 100 reassons why...first he beat no one at pimlico and then he beat no one at belmont ... then he wins the whitney and barley and i mean barley beats sun king... then he lays off and beats bernardini, now for ppl who knock bernardini and say he faced no one, i feel invasor faced less and in the breeders up bernardini was not himself hes under a ride, looks to be going backwards then finally kicks in and invasor bye no means crushed him in that spot.. im not saying hes not a good horse and i know this will now get alot of ppl posting that im crazy but thats just how i feel.

Invasor wouldnt have been that great back in the mid 90's but given the lack of any other really good older horses, well Charlie, I guess that makes him a star. I think hes pretty darn good but I wouldnt be surprised if he gets beat. Maybe not in the Donn because there isnt anyone really decent in there, but in Dubai for sure. Especially if Mccans Mojave ships to Dubai (ha ha, kidding).

Point Given, Lemon: English Channel got a bit sick and missed some time. He is a diminutive colt and will probably race at FG and pass on Dubai.

T#B good analysis right on.

BTW and Da hoss terrific job intimidating infrequent posters. BBB

And I feel this might be the stupidest thing I have read in a long time...congrats.....

100 reasons? Give me 10....

Who last year was better than Invasor?

Let me be clear to you....you are a cheap shot artist with a superiority complex who has alienated people with your BS routine all over the web. You have fooled absolutely nobody on this site and offered nothing of value and only detracted from the value of this place.

No doubt this is yet another of your hit and run posts.

There's a 0% chance English Channel goes to FG. Where do you come up with this crap??

i gave a number of reassons already........ and discreet cat was alot better bernardini was all year barbaro was also theres 3, o and showing up probelly could beat invasor ON DIRT

Are You Guys Calling Me The Cheap Shot Artist, Or The Guy Who Attacked Me ?

he got a perfect trip--no excuses. unless you use the honest excuse that he just wasn't good enough.

invasor won all but one race in his career. he's faced the best this country had to offer. as for 'laying up' and then beating bernardini, his long layoff caused concern for many--there's fresh, and there's rusty. bernardini certainly didn't have an overly tough schedule. as for the classic, bernardini ran a race like all his others--same timewise and figurewise. problem was this time another horse was faster than he had been all year. way overrated? by whom? i think bernardini was overrated by those who thought he was seattle slew reborn. but no one went nuts all year about invasor--he only got any press after the classic!

There's a $600K or $400K race, used to be the Explosive Bid and now it something like the Muniz Memorial maybe, which makes obvious sense.


Anyone can repeat stuff from DRF and act like they are " in the know ".

I thought that race was early March but you may well be right.

So Premium Tap is apparently passing the Donn in favor of the 1 1/2 mile King's Cup in Saudi Arabia in mid February.

Well, Dynever used that 25 horse spectacle for a prep for his second place finish in the World Cup two years ago but it seems an odd race for a horse with the natural speed of Premium Tap.

And the race at FG for English Channel is February 10th and a Grade 3.

So now English Channel will be running against a couple of Illinois breds (Fort Prado and Mystery Giver). Nobody can accuse Todd of being overly ambitious here.:rolleyes:

Maybe they actually feel they need another week or maybe they don't want to risk losing to the horse they feel they should have won the Eclipse over. You would think it's a freeroll for English Channel, as theoretically he's supposed to lose, but apparently they are passing. It just seems so much easier to stay home...especially for a prep race in erly February.

GP routes
 

I thought BTW had a great idea about having two finish lines for route races as they do at Keeneland to give those with outside posts a fairer shot, instead of the quick run to the turn at 1 1/8 races. With all the wait and scratch if you draw an outside post mentality, why hasn't this idea been discussed/tried ? Now that SNS drew the 12 spot and went down, how many other trainers will go elsewhere instead of the chance of drawing an outside post at GP ? BTW, have you gotten any traction from your idea ?

Nobody listens to me.

yeah, i know, not even at Siro's ;)

Especially there.

Well apparently you said 100 reasons.....I want just 10 of them.

Funny....Bernardini was the next superhorse(still was a very nice horse) and Invasor took him kinda easily....Discreet Cat looks to be a monster who beat up on basicallly ok fields...but did it with such ease...not sure DC could take invasor going long

There is ZERO proof that Barbaro could have beaten Invasor...would have been some horserace if they ever met....but to say that one of them was better than the other is tough...especially after Invasor drowned everyone he met...

Showing up??????? on the dirt??????Going long ?????

Please ....you are embarassing yourself.....

I don't know how seriously this was discussed, but it is an impossibility because of Gulfstream's already short stretch. Gulfstream's full stretch is 898 feet. If you start and finish 9 furlong races at the 1/16th pole, you'd have a stretch measuring a whopping 568 feet, that's even shorter than 5/8 mile tracks like Fairplex and Los Al.

NT

You're probably right but I would be curious to know the stretch distance at Keeneland when they use the first finish line there?