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smartyalex 01-26-2007 08:51 PM

Opinion of the Best Handicapping Tool
 
To a somewhat "average" handicapper, what would you consider the best tool available on the internet?

Scav 01-26-2007 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by smartyalex
To a somewhat "average" handicapper, what would you consider the best tool available on the internet?

Learn how to use Thorograph, it will be your best friend, also, best tool is sticking to what you are strong, figure that out and you will be golden. (I catch glimpses of myself being patient and sticking to what I am good at, but then all hell breaks loose and tilt time)

Suffolk Shippers 01-26-2007 10:03 PM

Set aside 6 or 8 hrs and give DRF formulator a try...good angles in there sometimes, can find some big balloons on occassion. I think Byk and company were talking about it on ATRAB this week. Least I heard they would be, I missed Thursdays show (dont be pissed Byk :cool: )

AeWingnut 01-27-2007 06:30 AM

brisnet
 
http://www.brisnet.com/

I like BRISnet. I don't know if it is the best.
but the good news is you can download their Ulimate PPs w/ comments for free util February 15. I imagine you will have to register in order to take advantage of the free stuff. They also go over stake races and do selections on the Handicapper's Edge you just need to scroll down. I don't go there that often so I don't know ho well they are doing with their picks.

miraja2 01-27-2007 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by smartyalex
To a somewhat "average" handicapper, what would you consider the best tool available on the internet?

For all of us average handicappers out there the best tool available on the internet is without a doubt.........porn.
It distracts us from wasting our money on betting the races.

Bigsmc 01-27-2007 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Learn how to use Thorograph, it will be your best friend, also, best tool is sticking to what you are strong, figure that out and you will be golden. (I catch glimpses of myself being patient and sticking to what I am good at, but then all hell breaks loose and tilt time)


Scavs has it right. Use TG AND a form (drf, bris whatever you choose). Most importantly use your noggin. Keep records, identify tracks, race types and wager types that you are strong at and stick with them.

Most importantly, try to avoid "tilt time". :eek:

Hickory Hill Hoff 01-27-2007 07:08 AM

Race past performances is a basic must &
For any other information...
DerbyTrail.com
or Byk's Pks.

Thunder Gulch 01-27-2007 06:50 PM

The best tool is speed figures, whether its Beyer, Bris, TG, Sheets- whatever. The problem is that they are oversimplified by 95% of the people that use figures without even understanding how they are made. Highest last Beyer doesn't cut it these days, but that doesn't mean you can't find ways to make them pay.

Rootdog1 01-27-2007 07:20 PM

Bris pp's and TG.....and lots of time to study them. bris pp's are by far the most important tool I have found so far.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-27-2007 07:25 PM

make your own watch list of troubled trips...then learn to read the drf....then get into tgs.. just tgs will do you no good imo..

Zaf 01-27-2007 09:13 PM

I prefer HTR, great handicapping tool. Today in the NHC tournament its creator Ken Massa placed 2nd and took down 150 Large !!!

AeWingnut 01-27-2007 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaf
I prefer HTR, great handicapping tool. Today in the NHC tournament its creator Ken Massa placed 2nd and took down 150 Large !!!

who took 1st? Where can I find the rest of the placings? I have a friend that was in the tournament

Zaf 01-27-2007 11:10 PM

http://www.drf.com/nhc/2006/nhc.html

http://www.drf.com/news/article/82195.html

Scav 01-28-2007 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Scavs has it right. Use TG AND a form (drf, bris whatever you choose). Most importantly use your noggin. Keep records, identify tracks, race types and wager types that you are strong at and stick with them.

Most importantly, try to avoid "tilt time". :eek:

Tilt time is impossible to avoid, I tried yesterday and NO LOVE whatsoever

timmgirvan 01-28-2007 07:11 PM

DerbyTrail and Brisnet....in that order!

Zaf 01-28-2007 08:54 PM

Complete Standings here:

http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=23013

docicu3 01-29-2007 01:54 AM

Everybody has there own method of creating an edge while handicapping....

Myself I use TGH, The DRF and a piece of software I have adapted known as computrak. I create files of comparasion among horses in a race for early speed , fricton (late speed) and workouts and races over a time constant.

It still is far from perfect but occasionally it is useful with multirace wages like P3,P4 and P6 when you are trying to organize large volumes of comparision data as well as Maiden races where workouts among horses in a race are compared though I find that sometimes a filter for consistency of workouts with nonwinners is an indication they are moving toward a first win.

When that fails I do the Byk chant in the center of the room to ward off evil chalk......

"All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the ......"

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2007 01:59 AM

I can't recommend Formulator, from DRF, enough.

paisjpq 01-29-2007 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I can't recommend Formulator, from DRF, enough.

I've just started playing around with the formulator program and I love it. :)

kenny p 01-29-2007 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
I've just started playing around with the formulator program and I love it. :)

Have you found it difficult to learn how to use it? Thanks KP

paisjpq 01-29-2007 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kenny p
Have you found it difficult to learn how to use it? Thanks KP

not really...it's pretty straightforward...you still have to do the handicapping work the same it just adds more infromation that you might find helpful...and i'm sure there are features that I haven't found...because i don't like to read instructions :o so I haven't looked at the pages that describe how to use the program...I just have been poking around as i go.

2 Dollar Bill 01-29-2007 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
not really...it's pretty straightforward...you still have to do the handicapping work the same it just adds more infromation that you might find helpful...and i'm sure there are features that I haven't found...because i don't like to read instructions :o so I haven't looked at the pages that describe how to use the program...I just have been poking around as i go.

You dont use the ""old school"" method of
1 Grey horse = win bet
2 Grey horses = exacta bet
3 Grey horses = Trif. bet
4 Grey horses = super bet ? :p

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2007 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kenny p
Have you found it difficult to learn how to use it? Thanks KP

It's extremely easy.

If you play at all seriously it is a must, especially if you are playing any track you aren't completely familiar with, as the access to charts and extensive pps is invaluable.

You can hit on the date of any of the last three races for any entrant, as long as the race was in North America, and access the full chart of that race. From there you can hit any horse in the race and access its lifetime pps. Also, you can get the chart for any and all races run on that day at that track. This allows you to see the relative abilities of the horses faced, which is great for shippers and most important ( I believe ) for turf races, and you can get at least a cursory look to see if there was an extreme bias and also an overview of relative pace.

Plus there are extensive trainer stats available, which you can easily manipulate, if you like that stuff. Also you can enter your own notes which you can save in the pps. And there's more. IMO it is the best product DRF has ever developed.

paisjpq 01-29-2007 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill
You dont use the ""old school"" method of
1 Grey horse = win bet
2 Grey horses = exacta bet
3 Grey horses = Trif. bet
4 Grey horses = super bet ? :p

not this girl...

but I have a second cousin (or something like that) who has made huge bets on grey horses and has won some big payouts...he only bets grey horses

kenny p 01-29-2007 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It's extremely easy.

If you play at all seriously it is a must, especially if you are playing any track you aren't completely familiar with, as the access to charts and extensive pps is invaluable.

You can hit on the date of any of the last three races for any entrant, as long as the race was in North America, and access the full chart of that race. From there you can hit any horse in the race and access its lifetime pps. Also, you can get the chart for any and all races run on that day at that track. This allows you to see the relative abilities of the horses faced, which is great for shippers and most important ( I believe ) for turf races, and you can get at least a cursory look to see if there was an extreme bias and also an overview of relative pace.

Plus there are extensive trainer stats available, which you can easily manipulate, if you like that stuff. Also you can enter your own notes which you can save in the pps. And there's more. IMO it is the best product DRF has ever developed.

Thanks. I think I will order it . Why not?

randallscott35 01-29-2007 10:13 AM

See who doesn't have wraps on. Bet accordingly....Oh yeah and Thoros.

Coach Pants 01-29-2007 10:23 AM

Well for gulfstream on Saturday a dart and a dartboard would've been golden.

Cajungator26 01-29-2007 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Well for gulfstream on Saturday a dart and a dartboard would've been golden.

Tell me about it! :eek:

qwertybb 01-29-2007 10:33 AM

I feel everyone has their own way and they all have value to the user. Basic step is finding the speed, pace and closers. Must imagine how you feel the race sets up. Best horse doesn't always win. Lone closer in a race filled with speed, or a horse that cannot be caught. Every race is different. Find tracks you feel good about and learn trends with jocks-trainers. Study as much as possible. I always felt it was best to handicap a few hrs. the day before and pray for no rain. Equibase virtaul stable is a nice way to track play backs. Even if your just watching a race and see a horse make a great run but may encounter a bad trip but you feel the horse had a real chance. Add him in your stable with comments and wait for a possible play when the horse runs back. They e-mail you workouts and when the horse is running again for free. It has paid dividends for me. Equibase.com free sign-up. Plus we all need alittle racing luck.

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2007 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
I feel everyone has their own way and they all have value to the user. Basic step is finding the speed, pace and closers. Must imagine how you feel the race sets up. Best horse doesn't always win. Lone closer in a race filled with speed, or a horse that cannot be caught. Every race is different. Find tracks you feel good about and learn trends with jocks-trainers. Study as much as possible. I always felt it was best to handicap a few hrs. the day before and pray for no rain. Equibase virtaul stable is a nice way to track play backs. Even if your just watching a race and see a horse make a great run but may encounter a bad trip but you feel the horse had a real chance. Add him in your stable with comments and wait for a possible play when the horse runs back. They e-mail you workouts and when the horse is running again for free. It has paid dividends for me. Equibase.com free sign-up. Plus we all need alittle racing luck.


You forgot to add " if all else fails redboard winners the day after the race ".

Cajungator26 01-29-2007 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You forgot to add " if all else fails redboard winners the day after the race ".

Don't forget that Hooves needs to be banned as well.

blackthroatedwind 01-29-2007 11:11 AM

I believe that goes without saying.

qwertybb 01-29-2007 02:48 PM

Jamie your clueless. Probably hang out at city walk, church street or Alt. ale house. Keep betting the longshots with your $2. LOL. You come from a school with much history (Dr. Phil) at least be witty about your replies. Grade 13 c.college.

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-29-2007 03:13 PM

wow your really making friends here pal....good job..

SentToStud 01-29-2007 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
Jamie your clueless. Probably hang out at city walk, church street or Alt. ale house. Keep betting the longshots with your $2. LOL. You come from a school with much history (Dr. Phil) at least be witty about your replies. Grade 13 c.college.

So, will you ever share what you thought made Six Cross Road an easy to play winner in that Tampa MCL?

Cajungator26 01-29-2007 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
Jamie your clueless. Probably hang out at city walk, church street or Alt. ale house. Keep betting the longshots with your $2. LOL. You come from a school with much history (Dr. Phil) at least be witty about your replies. Grade 13 c.college.

Did you go to Oakridge? Probably so...

Let me know how it is over there in Tangelo Park, you scumbag.

Cajungator26 01-29-2007 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DGIB
Jamie your clueless. Probably hang out at city walk, church street or Alt. ale house. Keep betting the longshots with your $2. LOL. You come from a school with much history (Dr. Phil) at least be witty about your replies. Grade 13 c.college.

By the way, since we're on the topic of education... it's "Jamie, YOU'RE clueless." Learn some grammar.

Danzig 01-29-2007 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
For all of us average handicappers out there the best tool available on the internet is without a doubt.........porn.
It distracts us from wasting our money on betting the races.

excellent post! very informative and insightful. i'm sure my husband would agree with this sentiment completely....i'll have to suggest it.:D

qwertybb 01-29-2007 03:36 PM

No, from Md. but I sure will not take S*** from a 26yr old who thinks she"s cute. I live in Sabal Point, I'm sure you know it Jamie. I don't want credit or put anyone down with their picks but your comments are whacked. Hooves I apologized, take it for what is worth. Trust me when I tell you when I bet my hard earned $ it is with my picks good or bad. Funny to see this caused so much concern. Like Barbaro being put down. I feel sorry for a soldier over seas dying much more than an animal. Please put things in perspective. Who is crying about American Ivy (golden gate yesterday) today. I'm sure those close to that horse feel like S**T today. I fought for my country and I feel you have the right to say what you want. But it goes both ways. Deal with it

Coach Pants 01-29-2007 03:38 PM



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