Santa Anita Race 7 DQ
 

The DQ in today's 7th Race at Santa Anita should cost someone their job. because it sure cost someone a lot of money. Movie Star was never going to go through that hole and if he had horse he would have gotten through clean. If the poor kid S Arias last name was Nakatani he would have had himself $7500 and booted home a 45-1 shot. Nevertheless hard working handicappers would have had another shot at a multimillion dollar carryover.It also took the stewards 9 minutes to make a decision. must of been doing some calculating.

I agree with this.I have no particular reason to care (one way or the other,)but I know the horse would have stayed up with different odds and/or connections.I am o.k. with this being called a foul,but if so,then they need to do it for everybody,and they do not do that.The best horse was the original winner,and when it is obvious who the best horse was,they usually keep that horse up.Not in this case.They are inconsistent.

What made it look even worse was the fact Nakatani got interviewed and said the winner wasn't the horse at fault.

I think he said that the inside horse came out,and was the one he clipped hills with.

Im assuming that if they left the winner up there would have been another carryover..Surprised the Stronach yes men didnt tell the stewards to let it go for another big carryover. Imagine how much money would have been created for generally the weakest day of the week handle wise...I myself thought that #7 was was a dead piece when the real racing started at the head of the stretch. But that Nak did a great job of snatching up...

Yes, I wish Nak put that energy into his ride in the 5th(instead of the acting job in the 7th.)P VAL would have given him a 10 out of 10.

I will tell you what goes through the minds of these people.The horse Nak rode(who was fairly dead) was a Frankel.In the back of their minds,they don't want to worry about somebody like that btchin' endlessly about that foul,and so they enforce the rules(in this situation.)I guarantee you that if you change the players around,you will get a different decision.

I agree mostly with your assesment on that. Specially that Frankel trains for Stronach..And Frankel is a winer, thats for sure.

Are you talking about that hand ride down the hill on #2. I really didnt notice it till the head ons, that was absolutely a no trie...I think he gave her a tap just before the wire, then she galloped out by everyone. Surely a prep to stretch out..

No,I am talking about the ride in the 5th(on Peace Accord.)The one where he is out of position,and as Trevor said "will need room." If you turn the race on half way through,you would think that the horse started from the 1 hole.You should not be stuck down there when you are on the 7 horse.You combine that with Victor riding huge on the 8 horse,and voila you get beat on the best horse.You know,I will give people a similar bad ride to look at,and they can see what happens when the same horse gets the better ride next out.Take a look at Tony Montana's ride last time.Very similar(although even worse.)Today,the horse was given a chance,and you see the result was much better.

Alan...Scuds and I were discussing this the other day....Nak's head is nowhere near the track. Looks like he has zero desire to be out there.

Must be getting something sweeter then cash, and we all know there is only one thing sweeter then cash......

Scuds said it must be night golf...i told him it had to be some side action....we all know that stuff moves mountains:eek:

LOL....He is dreaming about nightgolfing later in the evening.Kev,I bet you he does do that stuff.He is pretty good(I hear,and saw him play Schrupp on TVG.)SCHRUPP can't play at all though,and Nak was LAUGHING AT HIM.

I never saw an objection from any trainer or jock. Just the inquiry. That is the umusual thing. generaly if an inquiry changes the results an objection follows and inquiry.

I do alot of daydreaming, but it aint about night golf...God knows I get enough of that throughout the day.

speaking of DQ
 

Whats up with the 1st race at SA watch the head on replay. I was at the track and saw the two horses comes together with 1/16 of a mile to go.
Now just because it is baffert/baffert they let it go. Now before you go Jim Mora (classic "playoffs" rant)on me I think it was a 40/60 call to dq the horse but it still deserved a look.

Here is my thought on it all,and that is that CALIFORNIA RACING SUCKS!!!! If another horse even LOOKS at another horse out there,they take him down.The stewards out there are a bunch of CLOWNS,Just look at who some of them are[one is a TVG host}They have no consistency in their decisionmaking, and are totally influenced by the politics of the game out there.I NEVER wager on any of these tracks,due to what happened not only yesterday,but also in the past.Crappy racing,Period.This is just my opinion.

Failure to maintain a straight course and impedeing another horses forward progress are 2 reasons that the winner came down. Pretty simple.

Honu,I am fine with taking this horse down,but they need to do the same with all the other incidents like this(they do not....they call them minor,or they say it didn't change the outcome of the race.)This is not done consistently at all.Right away,the guys on T.V. said they would leave it alone.Now exactly why would they say that??Well,it's because they see this situation left alone quite often.They need to start being consistent.Sometimes they say the best horse won,and they let this go(dead horse was fouled etc.)Rarely, they do what they did yesterday(take down the obviously best horse,because that horse fouled a horse who was gunna come 4th-7th.)I think they are highly subjective,and need to take one of these options,and stick to it.Either you are highly interested in who the best horse was(and overlook a foul that didn't cost somebody a top 3 placing,)or you call any foul(regardless of who the best horse in the race was.)Do one or the other.They aren't doing one or the other.They are doing both.

One of the announcers though freely admitted he never wants them to take a horse down. Not saying that it was the right call, I think it could have gone either way, but that announcer not wanting him to come down shouldn't really be used to build your case.

I also am tired of them talking to the jocks involved.You have such a difference in the ability to b.s. in the situation.Guys like Bailey and Gomez seem to be able to talk stewards into anything.I rarely see some riders get any break at all from the stewards.For instance,when Espinoza is the one who fouls,I rarely see that guy get out of it.They really seem to despise that guy.Again,all subjective stuff(language/argumentative skills etc.)

I understand your frustration.

The horse he impeded was going BACKWARDS and was in no way going to affect the outcome of the race!!

The human element will never change. Hell Zito was pissed 2 weeks ago at gulfstream,but... Happens all the time in Life period. It is what it is. Sometimes we're left to suck on it. Does not make it right but its been that way for along time......

agreed that the 7 washed out. The fact that the 8 got into the 6 which was glareing from the rear view and which subsequently caused the incident, is inexcusible. Not only did the ignore the facts, they awarded the perp with a win. My guess is that they dropped the best horse out of the money because they didn't want to deal explaining a 4 mil carryover.

For whatever logic that my bring....Clearly big money had a voice in it...

There is some bad blood etc, between one of the stewards,and Paasch.So much so that the steward in question looked down to see how Paasch reacted when it was announced that the horse was coming down.He told Paasch that he remembered him from 20 years earlier(when Paasch had an argument with a security guard.)This thing has gotten pretty ugly.

The way i'm reading this is that you're insinuating the stewards took $$$. Absolutely ridiculous.

Believe it or not........no carryover,even if the longshot had stayed up.

No, the stewards didn't take the money. The powers at be definately had a responsibility to the major contributors (ie. Vegas) to insure "cooperation". Too many beans involved for a 47-1 to screw all those "investors" out of a piece of the pie...
The replay is clear; if you have access to the rear view, I'd suggest you take a look at it, if you're objective at all you will see what I'm saying. Thats all.

That's a bunch of horseshit. Yeah someone call Mulder and Scully to figure this massive conspiracy out.

What did you see from the rear view?

FWIW, even though it helped my ticket I think the DQ was an absolute disgrace.

So, I'm assuming you saw the rear view replay (clearly for the stewaward's point of view, which was clear to anyone watching the replay) and decent from an objective opinion?
Your choice...I ain't playin' SA NO MORE...you are inclined to your opinion, as am I...

Horseshit Indeed....They won't see a dime of my cash for the rest of this meet, my friend...GRL to you

The 8 (at first, which to be objective I looked at the 2 as they were both carrying black silks) reared left on the backstretch into the 6, which in turn caused the 6 to get into the 7 which was dead money anyhow, and caused the horse to clipped heels. At least that's what the pundints of the 7 have to say...The 7 was dead by all accounts....the 8 gets favored with the win ( after causing the infraction) and they send the 6 out of the money ( no call at all for that sort of DQ - much the best of the field, as ANYONE will attest to)

bullsh1t politics...don't listen to me...watch the replay as I've been saying since they took the horse down....

Good Racing Luck...and I'm done with this nonsense..onward to some decent handicapping for the M5 edit - saturday!

You can't base a decision off the rear view only, unless you're hammered in a club and it's last call. I'm not trying to single you out, it's just that the game is full of conspiracy theorists and most of the time it's much ado about nothing.

I had some luck at SA today and none yesterday. I'll never stop playing a track because of a DQ. If I did i'd never play Arlington for the two times I got cornholed in the million. Cornholing is part of the game.

Good racing luck to you.

Yes it is..and one camera angle can definately prove a point...hence the NFL utilizing multiple camera angle replays to overturn a call.....I singled the Rear View because it clearly proves the point. PP, I respect and appreciate your participation to this board, and do not expect anyone with a decenting opinion to agree or disagree with my asscessment...only pointing out what I saw...

I haven't seen this race. However, I've seen plenty. Overall I would say that odds seem to play into it. If you have a horse that is 45-1 and something short will get moved up - it almost always happens. I think they are going for popularity instead of justice.

and there is always someone that feels obligated to tell you to get out of the game if you can't handle these little annoyances.

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't award the horse the purse after some sort of appeal. It's happened before

I've had great luck @ SA too...almost had the P6 (5 of 6) the same day I hit the P6 monster @ AQU....nothing against SA,and to be honest will play day to day stakes there as the derby trail narrows... and will play the Sunshine millions this weekend...But I will NEVER play a big carryover there again...not that I'd had a 47-1 shot in my ticket...just don't care for the way they handled this...