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Left Bank 01-09-2007 04:53 PM

Word on Jockey gate!
 
The gal on TVG today says the FBI is in on it now.Supposedly their are some races at Canterbury now also under suspicion,in addition to the ones at GLD.
That would explain Derek Bell's involvement now.Rumors I have heard for a few years now have him and some of the other jocks and their agents fixing races there.Just rumors,with lots of coincidence.
Anybody else hear anything?

Coach Pants 01-09-2007 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
The gal on TVG today says the FBI is in on it now.Supposedly their are some races at Canterbury now also under suspicion,in addition to the ones at GLD.
That would explain Derek Bell's involvement now.Rumors I have heard for a few years now have him and some of the other jocks and their agents fixing races there.Just rumors,with lots of coincidence.
Anybody else hear anything?

Yeah they've been in on it for quite some time.

blackthroatedwind 01-09-2007 04:54 PM

The FBI may be the source of the investigation.

Rudeboyelvis 01-09-2007 05:08 PM

I hope S. Caramouche is not implicated; we'll never hear the end of it...

Cannon Shell 01-09-2007 05:22 PM

I heard there was a jockey arrested today but have not been able to verify this

Left Bank 01-09-2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I heard there was a jockey arrested today but have not been able to verify this

Where or what track?

Cannon Shell 01-09-2007 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
Where or what track?

In Fl but not at track, pretty good source but I DO NOT know if it is true

hoovesupsideyourhead 01-09-2007 06:03 PM

what no link..how could you..lol

Left Bank 01-09-2007 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
In Fl but not at track, pretty good source but I DO NOT know if it is true

Well find out for us,your family.:D

AeWingnut 01-09-2007 07:05 PM

you know... there is the crowd that cries foul every stinkin time the chalk doesn't win and this is just more fuel for the fools.

I hope this is all over and done ASAP

pmayjr 01-10-2007 01:01 AM

I would be a little surprised that Derek Bell would feel the need to be in on a "rigged" race at Canterbury. He's been the leading rider there every year for like the last 5 or 6 years. The only reason he didn't win the riding title this past summer, was because he broke his wrist and missed half the summer. But he still had very solid stats for only being here for so long.

I just wish the public had more info on exactly the nature of these investigations. I know it involves a bunch of Florida riders regarding a race at Great Lakes Downs, but everything else is so vague and secretive. Either scrunge up some real info on these guys or let 'em ride. If they wanna keep the evidence secretive, the accused jocks should come public with the accusations to put heat on the people trying to keep them banned.

iceman2007 01-10-2007 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
The gal on TVG today says the FBI is in on it now.Supposedly their are some races at Canterbury now also under suspicion,in addition to the ones at GLD.
That would explain Derek Bell's involvement now.Rumors I have heard for a few years now have him and some of the other jocks and their agents fixing races there.Just rumors,with lots of coincidence.
Anybody else hear anything?

She accidently said Canterbury, she meant to say Great Lakes. I corrected her on it and she announced that a bit later in the show.

jpops757 01-10-2007 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr
I would be a little surprised that Derek Bell would feel the need to be in on a "rigged" race at Canterbury. He's been the leading rider there every year for like the last 5 or 6 years. The only reason he didn't win the riding title this past summer, was because he broke his wrist and missed half the summer. But he still had very solid stats for only being here for so long.

I just wish the public had more info on exactly the nature of these investigations. I know it involves a bunch of Florida riders regarding a race at Great Lakes Downs, but everything else is so vague and secretive. Either scrunge up some real info on these guys or let 'em ride. If they wanna keep the evidence secretive, the accused jocks should come public with the accusations to put heat on the people trying to keep them banned.

The best way to fix is for the fav to miss the board. Hard to make a nag run faster but a lot easier to restrain of cause the low odds horses to have trouble and miss the board.

jpops757 01-10-2007 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmayjr
I would be a little surprised that Derek Bell would feel the need to be in on a "rigged" race at Canterbury. He's been the leading rider there every year for like the last 5 or 6 years. The only reason he didn't win the riding title this past summer, was because he broke his wrist and missed half the summer. But he still had very solid stats for only being here for so long.

I just wish the public had more info on exactly the nature of these investigations. I know it involves a bunch of Florida riders regarding a race at Great Lakes Downs, but everything else is so vague and secretive. Either scrunge up some real info on these guys or let 'em ride. If they wanna keep the evidence secretive, the accused jocks should come public with the accusations to put heat on the people trying to keep them banned.

The best way to fix is for the fav to miss the board. Hard to make a nag run faster but a lot easier to restrain of cause the low odds horses to have trouble and miss the board. A short field 6-7-8 horses with the 3 lowest odds horses missing the board equals a mega hit een at the small tracks . You dont need to have the winner pegged jus box the field without the top 3.

Left Bank 01-10-2007 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmayjr
I would be a little surprised that Derek Bell would feel the need to be in on a "rigged" race at Canterbury. He's been the leading rider there every year for like the last 5 or 6 years. The only reason he didn't win the riding title this past summer, was because he broke his wrist and missed half the summer. But he still had very solid stats for only being here for so long.

I just wish the public had more info on exactly the nature of these investigations. I know it involves a bunch of Florida riders regarding a race at Great Lakes Downs, but everything else is so vague and secretive. Either scrunge up some real info on these guys or let 'em ride. If they wanna keep the evidence secretive, the accused jocks should come public with the accusations to put heat on the people trying to keep them banned.

It is called MONEY and the other word is GREED!

disappearingdan_akaplaya 01-10-2007 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
It is called MONEY and the other word is GREED!


ive heard some rumors about bell from some people@canterbury when i was there, one of the leading owners there absolutely refuses to ride the guy becuase of this. anyways seth's(martinez) is the best jock there far and away when hes riding up there

Honu 01-10-2007 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
ive heard some rumors about bell from some people@canterbury when i was there, one of the leading owners there absolutely refuses to ride the guy becuase of this. anyways seth's(martinez) is the best jock there far and away when hes riding up there

Wow, havent heard Seth's name in a long time , I remember when he rode his first schooling race in Denver he was so cute and all excited lil bug boy wanna be. He always had talent and his dad Dickey made sure it never went to his head .

brianwspencer 01-10-2007 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Honu
Wow, havent heard Seth's name in a long time , I remember when he rode his first schooling race in Denver he was so cute and all excited lil bug boy wanna be. He always had talent and his dad Dickey made sure it never went to his head .

I loved when he rode at Hawthorne last year (?) or the year before. He tended to use the whip a bit more than I would like to see, but he rode hard and gave lots of horses fighting chances that sometimes didn't deserve them.

JJP 01-10-2007 02:09 PM

I heard through the rumor mill that Seth's absence was substance abuse related. I don't know him personally but considering how frequent this is in that profession, I don't think it would be a shock.

Re: Seth, he may have the most vicious left hand windmill in all of racing.

Left Bank 01-10-2007 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
I heard through the rumor mill that Seth's absence was substance abuse related. I don't know him personally but considering how frequent this is in that profession, I don't think it would be a shock.

Re: Seth, he may have the most vicious left hand windmill in all of racing.

You are correct sir.And he has disappeared again,so don't know if we will see him again

pmayjr 01-10-2007 06:19 PM

Seth is a damn good rider. But every year Bell beats him in the standings. They both get the best mounts CBY has to offer though

disappearingdan_akaplaya 01-10-2007 10:45 PM

seth's talented enough to ride anywhere in the country in my opinion. who knows he may show up@oaklawn, robertson shipped everything outta chicago a few weeks back so hed have plenty for seth to ride down there. next to earlie lol nobody hits a horse like seth. yeah brian a couple years ago when he rode the fall meet here at tha thorne he tore it up. won alotta his races here not from being on the best horse, he simply outrode the other jocks here and outsmarted them

saucon17 01-10-2007 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
seth's talented enough to ride anywhere in the country in my opinion. who knows he may show up@oaklawn, robertson shipped everything outta chicago a few weeks back so hed have plenty for seth to ride down there. next to earlie lol nobody hits a horse like seth. yeah brian a couple years ago when he rode the fall meet here at tha thorne he tore it up. won alotta his races here not from being on the best horse, he simply outrode the other jocks here and outsmarted them

Seth did pretty well in Md. for the short time he was there when
he was an apprentice jockey. Did he start at Turf Paradise?

pmayjr 01-11-2007 01:10 AM

Seth is damn good, it helps to have Mac and Hugh Robertson's horses at your disposal as well. I give him credit though, because he was winnin beofre those trainers showed at at CBY 3 years ago and strated winning everything.

Bell has still been able to hang though... I hope the truth exonorates him. Because I'd hate to have any suspicion regarding any of the numerous riding titles he's won during the last few years at CBY

smartyalex 01-13-2007 09:22 PM

Jockey Gate Update
 
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=37062

Left Bank 01-14-2007 04:50 PM

Rumor I heard today is Bell is NOT a part of the GLD/DEL fiasco.Supposedly,a trainer at Tampa complained about him and said Bell held his horse back and didn't ride him to the finish.Not the truth,Just a rumor I caught today.

Left Bank 01-31-2007 04:56 PM

Some guy on another board is claiming that there is a Tampa jock in jail as of today.Anyone hear this yet?All I have seen today is an interview with D Bell in TTimes about the goon squad grilling him.

pmayjr 01-31-2007 05:21 PM

I hope D. Bell is cleared. He's a household name at CBY in the summer.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 01-31-2007 09:09 PM

word had it TD was gonna try and ride here this spring. several years ago he said after winning a stake at sportsmans on a horse named secret romeo he would probaly come to chicago in the near future and never did. well if what i hear on the backstretch is correct they will not allow houghton to ride here in chicago until this thing is resolved, but well see since the carey's(owners of hawthorne) allowed rene to ride a horse here on the final day of the meet, jan 1

saucon17 02-14-2007 09:29 PM

Totally agree with Hawthorne allowing them to ride.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=37565

ELA 02-14-2007 09:59 PM

I haven't heard as many of the rumors as others, however, sometimes these things just kind of die off. It might have been a lot of bark and no bite. I've also seen it go the other way and it gets bigger and bigger. Who knows.

Eric

JJP 02-15-2007 12:20 AM

Disappearing Playa-

I heard the same thing regarding Houghton. He, Bell and Douglas have all been cleared to ride at Hawthorne. Of course Rene has been cleared to ride at GP so I assume he'll stay down there until that meet is over.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 02-15-2007 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
Disappearing Playa-

I heard the same thing regarding Houghton. He, Bell and Douglas have all been cleared to ride at Hawthorne. Of course Rene has been cleared to ride at GP so I assume he'll stay down there until that meet is over.

lol yeah apparently TD will be allowed to ride here now contrary to what i heard a lil while back. notta bad time to come in either since zimmerman and campbell will probaly remain at the fairgrounds, and sterling and razo@oaklawn

Scav 02-15-2007 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
lol yeah apparently TD will be allowed to ride here now contrary to what i heard a lil while back. notta bad time to come in either since zimmerman and campbell will probaly remain at the fairgrounds, and sterling and razo@oaklawn

Playa, bet you Houghton shows up at Arlington now that GLD is closing, angle is gone now of him sneaking in for a ride.....

Coach Pants 02-15-2007 09:24 PM

Going to be an interesting meet with Bell and Houghton in the mix. I expect Bell will bring home some prices early on until the public catches on.

Scav 02-15-2007 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Going to be an interesting meet with Bell and Houghton in the mix. I expect Bell will bring home some prices early on until the public catches on.

He rides the front well which will do well at Hawthorne until about Mid/late March and Illinois Derby Day

disappearingdan_akaplaya 02-15-2007 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Playa, bet you Houghton shows up at Arlington now that GLD is closing, angle is gone now of him sneaking in for a ride.....


actually scav the michigan/arlington angle a couple years ago was mary doser, whenever she ships in to ride 1 for her boyfriend sowie the horse is live majority of the time. i like td, got to meet him this summer@gld when he won a race for us, gave his girlfriend a kiss outside the winners circle right after we took the pic


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