barbaro latest
 

they applied a cast to his near hind, the one with laminitis. they're stabilizing the leg as much as possible in preparation for his move out of new bolton.
so, where's he going folks? what farm(s) is set up to deal with this horse--and will be willing to do so??

Probably the one closest to the equine hyperbaric chamber. I hope and pray.

http://www.equineox.com/eqvets.html
I had to look it up

They want him somewhere warm... where he can continue grazing... although the weather up North has been mild so far...

Ocala, here he comes! :D (I wish.)

A friend of mine talked to Matz at the BC, and Matz said that they were considering moving Barbaro to FL.

The Breeders Cup was two months ago, so it's possible their plans have changed since then.

yeah, i've been reading all the news and knew they were interested in having him somewhere that he could still go outside--florida seemed like the number one choice to me. but it's not so much geography as farm at this point.
yeah, a lot of people would like to make the $$--but barbaro will take a whole lot of extra time, attention and effort.
from what i know--if it is florida--i think i'd approach padua. they are very good to their horses from all i've seen, one of the farms that engages in retraining horses that can't or won't make it to the track. i'm sure there are others.

someone else started that rumor a few weeks back, jackson shot that down real quick.

almost zero? i don't know that i would put it that low. about 8 in 10 stallions 'fail' as a sire. i don't know that barbaros odds would be better or worse due to his injury.
he'll get the best of care. if he can physically cover, he'll get the best mares. won't be a big book--but then, a lot of our all time best sires, horses like bold ruler and northern dancer, usually didn't even cover 50--but he'll get a GOOD book. they can give him a lot of help as far as actually doing 'the deed'....

This is my first post to this discussion group, but I do have a question..... don't know a lot about laminitis and recovery from it, especially a case this serious, but is it possible he STILL might not grow enough useful hoof on his left leg to allow him to survive? Dr. Richardson seems more than a bit negative on that subject. Right now that seems the most critical issue facing this brave guy.

It is still possible that barbaro might suffer a relapse of the laminitis in either his existing bad foot or one of his other 3 feet due to uneven weight distribution...however given that he has the absolute best care that money can buy and he has shown that he has a very strong will to survive I have great hope that this won't happen.
he does however face the long term issues of a foundered horse...once the bones in the foot have rotated the case is considered chronic founder, since there will likely be ongoing low grade inflammation in the foot...they are more prone to foot abscesses and the hoof wall itself tends to grow erratically and the sensitive laminae never regains all of is original strength...and his handlers will have to be careful to avoid situations that may trigger another episode....such as overload on grass or grain, excess physical stress, even vaccination reactions etc can be a real problem for the laminitic horse. Basically any situation that triggers an immune response can also lead to another episode.

Very well said.

The fact that Dr. Morrison has been to New Bolton a number of times probably indicates some complications with the laminitic hoof. Barbaro's life depends on his ability to adjust his weight distribution evenly.

I still play the '06 Derby at times -- Barbaro was a serious racehorse. To stay near the lead through those fractions and still come home in the 2nd fastest final quarter (only Secretariat came home better) is chilling. Watch him run out and come back on his toes nipping at the pony. He could have went around again.

It'd have been so cool to see him go back to the turf after the Derby. Run in Europe -- take down the Arc. He was a monster on the grass.

actually, i think they've had a foot specialist in because A-that's his only real issue now, and B-they want to get him out of dodge and to a warmer climate, and they don't want that foot to turn into a real issue. luckily the weather has been fairly mild.
his hoof is growing back 'funny'--they don't think it will ever look like a normal hoof again. they just have to keep it, and him, on an even keel, or the fight begins all over again.

yes, there are still issues with that hoof--as pais said, there probably always will be. but there are horses who survive with chronic laminitis. his is an acute case, of course he will always have a higher risk of having another bout. but he's come so far, he has such tremendous spirit. i'm hoping to be reading updates on him for years to come.

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...treatment.aspx

latest update since the cast was applied. more news in one week...

I have two horses that certainly qualify as horses with chronic laminitis. It is a dreadful and ugly disease and constant monitoring is paramount. One of my horses has had a foot resected and that is no doubt a procedure that absolutely takes time to heal. Both of my guys are very high maintenance, but they are worth it and as long as I am able, they'll get the best I can give 'em.

sorry to hear that they both have that. it is awful, my neighbors horse had it. glad to hear that you are doing so much for them, good for them and you!

Both Hagyard-Davidson-McGee and Walmac had special facilities for Nureyev.
I don't know if these facilities still exist, or if new similar ones using today's technology could be built.
Something like them could be used for Barbaro, and other horses in the future.

I'm sure they have a plan.

Saving Nureyev


Nureyev Obituary

it's not my money or my horse, though.................

He was the best 3YO on grass, as well. We all got robbed of a great one... let's hope he can continue to improve.

if you go back and watch that Derby again, notice how well his stablemate runs as well. Showing Up ran an absolute MONSTER race in only his 4th career start to track the pace and finish 6th- it's pretty cool to see the Lael stables silks next to each other the whole way down the backstretch. They were actually 1-2 for a brief moment at the top of the stretch before the deep closers passed Showing Up in midstretch.

Barbaro suffers setback:'Being treated more aggressively'.
 

D*mnit.

Thanks for the update. I hope this "setback" isnt too serious.

Ugh, it made me sick to my stomach when I saw this headline....I hope it doesn't get worse. :(

I'll tell you, longterm these things will keep cropping up. He isn't a longshot anymore, but he isn't 2-5 to make it for the next 15 years either.

Hopefully he gets through this one like he did with his
other setbacks. Dealing with the hoof is a delicate subject

My sentiments exactly Geniune! DAMN IT!

i hope he gets to the breeding shed...we need some barbero/gorella babys..

OHHHH WOULDN'T THAT BABY BE KEV'S NEXT LICIENSE PLATE?

Barbella?

I would love to be the person who invents a prosthetic hoof. I wonder if this is even possible.

there are horses that have prosthetic limbs....

Can they breed though? Have to be some serious titanium or whatever that super strength stuff is?

Damn! I hope he's going to be ok... :(

yes...there was or is (I don't know if he is still alive) a stud that had a prosthetic rear limb...I will try to find an article.

That is amazing. I understand limb, but can a hoof be prosthetic? If it could, then that would be awesome.

I think he passed away (due to other causes.) I can't remember his name for the life of me.

an excerpt from an article in the horse last summer....but I wouldn't go imagining that this would be possible for Barbaro...his broken leg would not be able to endure the recovery and adaptation of removing the laminitic foot.



Q. How many amputations have you performed?
Redden: I've done 44 procedures to date.
Grant: I have done over 30.

Q. How many have been successful?
Redden: Eight to 10 cases have been quite successful; two front limb amputations, the others rear limb amputations.
Grant: I had two who did not adapt to the temporary prosthesis immediately following surgery and had to be euthanatized. I had one Thoroughbred stallion with a hind leg who bred live cover for two years, then died from a perforated gastric ulcer. Two Thoroughbred mares did well, one had a hind limb prosthesis who aborted twins and died from hemorrhage. The other mare with a hind leg prosthesis survived three years. She never carried a foal. A quarter Horse stallion survived for six years with a front leg amputation. A Morgan mare with a front leg prosthesis survived for more than six years. And a pony who lived more than 20 years with a prosthetic front leg.

Q. What is the lifespan on an amputee?
Redden: My oldest patient, Josie, has had her prosthetic since February 1992. She is low maintenance and stays out in a large paddock 24/7. A stallion with his hind limb amputated just below the hock remains healthy and covers his mares live. He lost his hind leg more than 10 years ago. The frog graft has offered them a tough stump pad, which has served them well (more on fro grafts in a moment).
Grant: The smaller horses seem to live longer.
http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle....kw=prosthetics