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blackthroatedwind 12-22-2006 07:07 PM

Shake You Down
 
I am guessing that a number of you already know this one time Grade 1 competitor is entered in the 3rd race at Laurel this coming Tuesday for a $5K claiming tag. To make matters worse, he is racing off the claim for leading owner Robert Cole, who also owned him during his hayday. Cole claimed him back for $16K on November 24th. Yeah, it's a business, but certainly this horse has done enough good for Mr. Cole that he could do the right thing by him, and find a nice home for him.

Hopefully with five days to go before the race Mr. Cole will think better of running him and allow him to retire gracefully. With well over a million dollars in earnings he has earned at least that.

paisjpq 12-22-2006 07:10 PM

I recall telling someone here that just because he claimed him it did not mean he intended to let that horse live happily ever after...:mad:
anyone who wants to buy him...I'll happily give him a home.

Sightseek 12-22-2006 07:20 PM

Sounds like someone needs a visit from the ghosts of Christmas past, present and future. :mad:

paisjpq 12-22-2006 07:40 PM

Correction BTW Andy...he's in on Wednesday

blackthroatedwind 12-22-2006 07:45 PM

Yeah...the 27th. Sorry.

The Bid 12-22-2006 07:54 PM

Thats really sad

sumitas 12-22-2006 08:03 PM

That Cole should be ashamed of himself. What is wrong with that guy ?

paisjpq 12-22-2006 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
That Cole should be ashamed of himself. What is wrong with that guy ?

he's the new Michael Gill?

Gander 12-22-2006 08:28 PM

I started the Shake You Down fan club many years ago. I just love this horse. He ran last year on KY Oaks Day and was awful.

saucon17 12-22-2006 08:34 PM

If he does run, lets all pray that he makes it safely around
the race track. I hope I never see Cole's ugly yellow silks with the
word MOTHER in pink in the winner circle again. Ego maniac

Dixie Porter 12-22-2006 11:45 PM

In all reality this might be the dumbest thread ever posted on here. There are some people that read this forum to learn something about the game of racing and the horses in it. To have a bunch of people that have never been in a barn or worked with tbreds start to post this drivel is both non informative and demeaning to the professionalism of Byk's beloved forum.

FACT: Whether a horse enjoys or suffers through being raced has NOTHING to do with the type of race it's in or where it has run before. The age of the animal is also meaningless up to about 9.

This thread is a perfect example of a bunch of no nothings and wannabees passing themselves off as horseman.

Bethani gets a pass on this one because I truly believe her hands on experience has been validated in the past. I would say the same goes for Blue Eyes and Honu.

Scav 12-22-2006 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
In all reality this might be the dumbest thread ever posted on here. There are some people that read this forum to learn something about the game of racing and the horses it it. To have a bunch of people that have never been in a barn or worked with tbreds start to post this drivel is both non informative and demeaning to the professionalism of Byk's beloved forum.

FACT: Whether a horse enjoys or suffers through being raced has NOTHING to do with the type of race it's in or where it has run before. The age of the animal is also meaningless up to about 9.

This thread is a perfect example of a bunch of no nothings and wannabees passing themselves off as horseman.

Bethani gets a pass on this one because I truly believe her hands on experience has been validated in the past. I would say the same goes for Blue Eyes and Honu.

You drinking again?

blackthroatedwind 12-23-2006 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
In all reality this might be the dumbest thread ever posted on here. There are some people that read this forum to learn something about the game of racing and the horses in it. To have a bunch of people that have never been in a barn or worked with tbreds start to post this drivel is both non informative and demeaning to the professionalism of Byk's beloved forum.

FACT: Whether a horse enjoys or suffers through being raced has NOTHING to do with the type of race it's in or where it has run before. The age of the animal is also meaningless up to about 9.

This thread is a perfect example of a bunch of no nothings and wannabees passing themselves off as horseman.

Bethani gets a pass on this one because I truly believe her hands on experience has been validated in the past. I would say the same goes for Blue Eyes and Honu.


What happened....stood up by Bea Arthur again?

By the way, while I realize English is far from your first language, I wouldn't want YOU to contribute to the further decline in literacy. It would be " know nothings "....not " no nothings ".

And, also, I see you have 30 posts. Pretty amazing. Apparently even you realize how idiotic most of your posts are and end up deleting 95% of them.

Can anybody say " pathetic "?

blackthroatedwind 12-23-2006 12:15 AM

Wait...it's even better. Check out the thirty remaining posts.....they have all been erased of content!

You're even crazier than I thought....which isn't easy.

The Bid 12-23-2006 12:22 AM

Its brutal to run an old class horse like Shake You Down for 5k, regardless of economics, especially in current form. I mean look at this horses previous running lines, all those huge efforts, all those times he showed up in grand fashion and laid his ass down for this guy. Disgusting really

Dix, by your standard this horse turns 9 in a couple days.

Maybe the owner just wants to send him out a winner? The class, being fresh, maybe that will be enough for this old boy to get the job done one more time? I doubt it.

cmorioles 12-23-2006 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Wait...it's even better. Check out the thirty remaining posts.....they have all been erased of content!

You're even crazier than I thought....which isn't easy.

Damn, how long do you get to edit or delete posts here? This could be fun.

blackthroatedwind 12-23-2006 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles
Damn, how long do you get to edit or delete posts here? This could be fun.


I think Dicksie has abused the priviledge. Might be time for a change.

repent 12-23-2006 02:29 AM

while all this Dixie bashing is in keeping with the spirit of the forum,
the man is right.


most of us are not horsemen and its NEVER our place to tell another man what to do with his property.
there is a concept of property rights here that I guess a lot of you dont get.

If this Cole dude wants to hitch a wagon to shake you down and give kids a ride around the block for $1/ride, then thats what he should do.
its his horse.
and if he wants to run him for 5k, then I thats what he should do.

its a RACEhorse.
never understood why someone would not want a racehorse to race.



Repent

Kasept 12-23-2006 03:15 AM

Pent,

While I generally agree that racehorses are meant to race, in this case there is some back story. Cole said he had been keeping an eye on Shake after he had been claimed away from him and that he was taking him back as 'he's been so good to me'. That intimated that he was claiming him back to retire him. Now he's entered for a nickel? Horsebleep..

The horse made Cole. He's so obviously a shadow of himself, why subject him to any more racing at this point? Having banked $1.4 million, he's earned a retirement.

The good news is that the 'drivel' here is resulting in some action being taken to see that Shake You Down is purchased privately before Wednesday and given a nice home for his post racing career.

paisjpq 12-23-2006 06:18 AM

In all reality this might be the dumbest thread ever posted on here. There are some people that read this forum to learn something about the game of racing and the horses in it. To have a bunch of people that have never been in a barn or worked with tbreds start to post this drivel is both non informative and demeaning to the professionalism of Byk's beloved forum.

FACT: Whether a horse enjoys or suffers through being raced has NOTHING to do with the type of race it's in or where it has run before. The age of the animal is also meaningless up to about 9.

This thread is a perfect example of a bunch of no nothings and wannabees passing themselves off as horseman.

Bethani gets a pass on this one because I truly believe her hands on experience has been validated in the past. I would say the same goes for Blue Eyes and Honu.


Thanks for the pass BK...
but I have to ask you, how is it not a good thing that fans of a horse (regardless of their level of actual horse experience or knowledge) want to see a deserving animal enjoy a safe retirement? Instead of watching him flounder lower and lower down the claiming ranks until one day he finds himself on his last trailer ride?

Whatever you think of the people who post here they're far better human beings than Cole ...they recognize that the horse has done enough.

You know as well as I do that the horse is likely sore and hurting otherwise he wouldn't be where he is today...he has banked more than a million dollars, most of it for cole.
You tell me...when will he have done enough?

TheSpyder 12-23-2006 06:21 AM

Way to go DT
 
Steve,

I hope you are right about someone stepping up. As the story of Shake You Down unfolds and if he is bought, it shows once again the good side of this forum and the power of the DT force.

All of which leads to another praise of you, Steve for bringing us all together and allowing for something like this to happen. Way to go!

Spyder from SC

Kasept 12-23-2006 07:00 AM

Thx Spydie, but should this end well, and I believe it will, all the credit goes to the magnanomosity of BTW and those that follow through.

Sightseek 12-23-2006 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpyder
Steve,

I hope you are right about someone stepping up. As the story of Shake You Down unfolds and if he is bought, it shows once again the good side of this forum and the power of the DT force.

All of which leads to another praise of you, Steve for bringing us all together and allowing for something like this to happen. Way to go!

Spyder from SC

I echo this sentiment, well done all. :)

Gander 12-23-2006 08:20 AM

Cant be that hard to find somebody that has 5 grand and wants a nice new pet. I mean some dogs cost between 1 and 2 grand, so why not a nice horse who has a great history behind him. If I owned a house with a big backyard I would claim him. He would make great transportation to work for me.

Dixie Porter 12-23-2006 08:33 AM

This BS thread is getting worse post by post. I'd be very surprised if anyone buys this horse for his welfare. MAYBE for the PR value attached to it but that is remote at best.

I claimed Kilmoray for $10,000. Ran him down to $3500 and then Allen bought him for $4500 (he didn't claim from me) and turned him out. I'm pretty sure he was 11. This is the only such story I know of after being involved with 100's of horses "hands on" one way or another.

Won 5 races with A Deck when he was about 8 years old. Baitman won stakes @ 8 and Bobby and I helped him back to the barn @ Monmouth when he finally went. Sent him back to his breeders for pension. Got a nice letter saying he was happy and liked peppermints. Never knew horses bothered with peppermints before that. Always thought sugar and carrots were just fine.

Anyone wants they can look up what Hirsch did with Joe Jones and Paper Tiger. There's a zillion others but I'm not going to waste my time.

This kind of garbage is the down side of these forums. Readers sometimes believe that the clowns with the most posts are NOT the most ignorant members when it comes to racing. In reality, more often than not, they are.

Note to Bethani:

Horse's that get by the vet DO NOT FLOUNDER. As a matter of fact these claimers will probably be within 2 - 3 seconds of stake horse going the same distance the same day. Take the colors off and I guarantee you not one of these morons that is now moaning would know if he was watching a stake horse or a $5000, 6 year old claimer.

cmorioles 12-23-2006 08:44 AM

Where did Dixie's idiotic first post from this thread go Kasept? Of course it doesn't matter much, as he trumped it with the second one. I guess he'll delete it soon, which makes this place a little strange.

SentToStud 12-23-2006 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
....Horse's that get by the vet DO NOT FLOUNDER... .

Flounder?

Perhaps you meant founder?

Then again, you did after all invent the "Friday Fish Fry" concept, so we all know you're correct in any event.

Of course, you also sued that rat Howard Johnson for stealing the concept.

Against your better instincts, you took the setttlement offered as you were busy helping Eisenhower and Montgomery with strategy at the time.

Kasept 12-23-2006 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles
Where did Dixie's idiotic first post from this thread go Kasept? Of course it doesn't matter much, as he trumped it with the second one. I guess he'll delete it soon, which makes this place a little strange.

C,

He deleted it; an option we allow everyone but don't have to... For the most part, it's an option that people utilize with noble intent; erasing things they wish they hadn't said.

Curiously, Dixie has erased nearly everything he has ever posted...

paisjpq 12-23-2006 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
Note to Bethani:

Horse's that get by the vet DO NOT FLOUNDER. As a matter of fact these claimers will probably be within 2 - 3 seconds of stake horse going the same distance the same day. Take the colors off and I guarantee you not one of these morons that is now moaning would know if he was watching a stake horse or a $5000, 6 year old claimer.

I respectfully disagree...state vets are overworked and have openly said that they do not always take the time to go over each horse as well as they could on race day due to time constraints and volume of work.

TheSpyder 12-23-2006 08:57 AM

Dixie
 
Dixie,

Excuse us for being insufficient human beings. I guess if we had more people like you in the world us low lifes would be able to learn "the way" that you so nicely communicate to us better. It's just a shame there are so many people like us the cloud the real truth that you seem to have a strangle hold over.

It's refreshing to hear from someone like you that has such keen insight into such matters and so boldly has no drothers to show what an a** hole that they are.

Dixie Porter 12-23-2006 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
I respectfully disagree...state vets are overworked and have openly said that they do not always take the time to go over each horse as well as they could on race day due to time constraints and volume of work.

Vets come to the barn race day morning. Although I think most of them are hopless they will take a horse out and have it jogged if they are suspicious.

What you posted above is PR BS. Again, I will give you a pass as I do not know if you have ever been involved with a day to day racing operation.

Anyway, that's your last pass:D

Kasept 12-23-2006 09:08 AM

I've had my fill...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
This BS thread is getting worse post by post. I'd be very surprised if anyone buys this horse for his welfare. MAYBE for the PR value attached to it but that is remote at best.

Then considered yourself 'surprised' as it's in the process of being done RIGHT NOW. And there's no P.R. involved as you're not going to know who it is that bought him FOR HIS WELFARE...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
This kind of garbage is the down side of these forums. Readers sometimes believe that the clowns with the most posts are NOT the most ignorant members when it comes to racing. In reality, more often than not, they are.

Believe me when I say that the only 'downside' of THIS Forum is regularly evident to everyone...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
Note to Bethani: Horse's that get by the vet DO NOT FLOUNDER. As a matter of fact these claimers will probably be within 2 - 3 seconds of stake horse going the same distance the same day. Take the colors off and I guarantee you not one of these morons that is now moaning would know if he was watching a stake horse or a $5000, 6 year old claimer.

Plenty of horses pass vet inspection and break down.. The understaffed Illinois Vets let a number of less than sound horses run at Arlington this year and the result was a spate of fatalities... Before you start citing your decades of experiience, that fact comes from the top horseperson in the Chicago area, trainer-breeder Christine Janks.


And finally, call the members of this Forum morons again and you can join your insane pal on the outside looking in...

Coach Pants 12-23-2006 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
Vets come to the barn race day morning. Although I think most of them are hopless they will take a horse out and have it jogged if they are suspicious.

What you posted above is PR BS. Again, I will give you a pass as I do not know if you have ever been involved with a day to day racing operation.

Anyway, that's your last pass:D

Speaking of passes have you let some gas loose today? Better eat some prunes unless you want to spend Christmas in Cedars-Sinai.

Bigsmc 12-23-2006 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
And finally, call the members of this Forum morons again and you can join your insane pal on the outside looking in...

Thanks from all of us Steve.

oracle80 12-23-2006 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paisjpq
I respectfully disagree...state vets are overworked and have openly said that they do not always take the time to go over each horse as well as they could on race day due to time constraints and volume of work.

Pais,
not to mention the anger and problems scratching as many should be scratched causes. Trainers screaming, track has to pay consos, bettors angry, etc.
I have never been mad about a late scratch in my life, because if my horse can't even warm up not being lame, then he sure as hell wasn't gonna win.

By the way if someone is indeed saving Shake You Down, you have my utmost respect and well wishes.

TheSpyder 12-23-2006 09:25 AM

Good over Evil
 
It's nice to see this thread, a Christmas Story of Good triumphs Evil.

GO SANTA!

Dixie Porter 12-23-2006 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept

And finally, call the members of this Forum morons again and you can join your insane pal on the outside looking in...

Good luck with the stable Boss:D

A little nervous this morning, aren't we?;)


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