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Danzig 12-20-2006 07:51 PM

sir barton no more
 
stakes race has been re-named for barbaro. altho i appreciate the fact that md wanted a race named for barbaro, i don't like seeing it happen at the expense of a triple crown winner.
not that sir barton will know/care.

GenuineRisk 12-21-2006 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
stakes race has been re-named for barbaro. altho i appreciate the fact that md wanted a race named for barbaro, i don't like seeing it happen at the expense of a triple crown winner.
not that sir barton will know/care.

For that matter, neither will Barbaro. :) But I know how you feel about seeing the TC winner's name get dumped. Well, times change, I guess.

slotdirt 12-21-2006 08:10 AM

I can see how they wanted to name a stakes race after Barbaro, but why the Sir Barton? This race has a pretty good tradition. I'm all for renaming the CompUSA Dixie the Barbaro Stakes instead.

Dunbar 12-21-2006 08:29 AM

Maybe they should have honored both horses and called it the Sir Bar-barton-o.

Reminds me of Ak-Sar-Ben, somehow.

--Dunbar

saucon17 12-21-2006 09:08 AM

On Preakness Day it's only other race for 3 year olds going long so
they decided to change the Sir Barton rather than the Hirsch Jacobs
for 3 year olds going 3/4 of a mile.

slotdirt 12-21-2006 09:16 AM

There are like 2,349 other stakes races in Maryland during the course of the year. I just think this is the wrong one to change. Sir Barton had a lot of Maryland history in his day as well, running at places like Havre de Grace when there was still a track there.

saucon17 12-21-2006 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
There are like 2,349 other stakes races in Maryland during the course of the year. I just think this is the wrong one to change. Sir Barton had a lot of Maryland history in his day as well, running at places like Havre de Grace when there was still a track there.

Slot I don't agree with them changing it. Maybe the should make 3 yr old
race on Ky Derby at Pimlico in his honor. It's a Md. tradition on Preakness Day
and yout right that they should not change it.

slotdirt 12-21-2006 09:31 AM

You know, I care enough about this decision to actually have just emailed the Jockey Club to let them know my displeasure. I'm sure that won't mean a hill of beans, but I can't say I didn't try.

saucon17 12-21-2006 09:40 AM

Did you email the MJC or the Jockey Club. You never know, they
might rethink their decision. I have emailed MJC before they almost
always got back to me

slotdirt 12-21-2006 09:57 AM

MD Jockey Club, of course.

Ghostzapperfan 12-21-2006 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
You know, I care enough about this decision to actually have just emailed the Jockey Club to let them know my displeasure. I'm sure that won't mean a hill of beans, but I can't say I didn't try.

I applaud people for actually voicing their displeasure with the actions of others, when done in a civilized manner. When done like Cindy Sheehan it gets a little annoying, but sending an email or letter is totally different.

Nice work Slotdirt...

ALostTexan

somerfrost 12-21-2006 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
I applaud people for actually voicing their displeasure with the actions of others, when done in a civilized manner. When done like Cindy Sheehan it gets a little annoying, but sending an email or letter is totally different.

Nice work Slotdirt...

ALostTexan

I'll add my voice here...I love Barbaro and really think an important stake should bear his name but the Sir Barton is a tradition and racing should respect tradition. Not a big deal but just short-sighted imo!

Ghostzapperfan 12-21-2006 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
I'll add my voice here...I love Barbaro and really think an important stake should bear his name but the Sir Barton is a tradition and racing should respect tradition. Not a big deal but just short-sighted imo!

For which I totally agree. I respect Barbaro and what he has done for the game, but I agree that the overall tradition should be respected. The Sir Barton is a great race, and I do think it was a little short-sighted to change it this early for the Barbaro namesake...

ALostTexan

eajinabi 12-21-2006 01:10 PM

What they need to do to honour Barbaro is to convert that track to poly. If it was poly last year maybe it would not happen to Barbaro. Who Knows?

Also is there a stakes for the horse FERDINAND? A Ky Derby winner and BC Classic winner should deserve a race named after him.

slotdirt 12-21-2006 02:05 PM

Oh boy....

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 02:40 PM

I think any horse that wins the KY Derby and BC Classic deserves, at a minimum, a national Holiday.

slotdirt 12-21-2006 02:42 PM

I seriously can't believe someone would actually assert that polytrack would have stopped that Barbaro injury from happening.

TheSpyder 12-21-2006 02:46 PM

That's it, I agree with BTW. I'm not going to work tomorrow and deem it Ferdinand Friday!. From now on December 22nd will be a holiday....for me.

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 02:50 PM

There's a few more holiday's in store....

Unbridled Day

Alysheba Day

Sunday Silence Day

Cajungator26 12-21-2006 02:53 PM

I'm liking all of these holidays. :cool:

oracle80 12-21-2006 02:54 PM

My only thought it that having a race named for him at the site of his career ending injury, on the same Preakness day racecard will always conjure up memories of the injury. I'm not real keen on this.

paisjpq 12-21-2006 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
My only thought it that having a race named for him at the site of his career ending injury, on the same Preakness day racecard will always conjure up memories of the injury. I'm not real keen on this.

I agree...why not another day or another track? It's a nice gesture and he probably deserves it, but on preakness day at pim seems like it will remind people more of the tragedy of his injury rather than the triumph of his survival.
I also don't really like it in general when they rename races...

The Indomitable DrugS 12-21-2006 05:40 PM

Sir Barton, entered the Kentucky Derby, on May 10th 1919 as a maiden...who's only purpose in the race was to run off and set a fast pace for the favorite, his stablemate Billy Kelly.

The maiden, playing the role of rabbit, won the Kentucky Derby by 5 lengths in wire-to-wire fashion. He wired them 4 days later in the Preakness. So sharp he was, that he was entered in the Withers 10 days after the Preakness, and he won. Of course, he would win the Belmont two weeks later and become the first horse in history to sweep the Derby, Preakness, and Belmont...what is now known as the triple crown.

It's true...but kind of sounds like a Disney movie. In today's game, there is exactly a 0.00% chance of that ever happening.

For one thing, the size of the foal crops were microscopic 85 years ago.

If you ask me, they should run a $100,000 stake, restricted for maidens, as the first or second race on the KY Derby undercard. They can call it the Sir Barton Stakes.

You'd have a full field...and a real productive maiden race. But hey, most ideas I formulate after having a few puffs of ganja are pretty bad I guess.

Kasept 12-21-2006 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
My only thought it that having a race named for him at the site of his career ending injury, on the same Preakness day racecard will always conjure up memories of the injury. I'm not real keen on this.

That was my first thought too..

blackthroatedwind 12-21-2006 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
But hey, most ideas I formulate after having a few puffs of ganja are pretty bad I guess.




That was my first thought too..

uscrules 12-21-2006 07:31 PM

why not just rename the kentucky derby the barbaro stakes? my first thought is he got hurt in pimlico so why bring back old memories>'
i was at the derby this year but in the middle so you culdnt see me, chloe had a seat on the finish line but we didnt start dating until july.

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-21-2006 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
That was my first thought too..

Ditto...me too!!! :cool:

Danzig 12-21-2006 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Good idea. While we're at it, rename the Preakness the Bernardini and the Belmont the Jazil. And I think we should rename the Bluegrass the Sinister Minister.I was at the Belmont this year, but I was wrecked by the 5th race. In all honesty, seems like an odd choice for the race, being as it's run on the same track and day as his accident. I think they would have been better off naming the Preakness prep after him that is run there. I can't think of the name of it off of the top of my head.

the federico tesio is what i think you mean.
wonder how many bettors even know who tesio was...

Hickory Hill Hoff 12-21-2006 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
the federico tesio is what i think you mean.
wonder how many bettors even know who tesio was...

Federico was my mother's maiden name...

Danzig 12-21-2006 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Thats it. And I'll be honest, I have no idea who he is, but I am going to look it up right now.

from what i've always seen, he gets the credit for the phrase 'breed the best to the best, and hope for the best'.


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