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The hunger is beautiful.I love her.2ND IN A GRADE 1.No false girl there.

David Flores wins 5? It is Christmas.

I bet her...she was borderline awful. That was a horrendous group and the third finisher, a neck behind Quick Little Miss, broke lengths behind the field.

Down is the only horse that ran a step in that race.

how about flores,,,nice job...and good call scuds btw cal...

Anybody catch that joke about Tizthen wearing a hood in the Hollywood Stalret, he said he hoped there wasn't confusion, and the owner told the trainer "we're running in the Hood today." That was pretty edgy.

Flores was overdue.He is a very good rider,but goes into big funks.Glad he came out of this last funk,and made some Christmas money.

"Borderline Awful" is a compliment(from you.) Very tough to close ground at this track the last couple days.I like the 2nd and 3rd horse,but congrats to the Calbred connections.If you think the Frankel is a better filly,then I don't think it is a poor effort to finish in front of her(even if the Frankel had trouble.)This is Q.L.M'S best race.She is getting better each race now.Gunna be Mel's last good horse.

She didn't take the turn well, and in the context of the race she ran OK, but the problem is I think the whole field ( save perhaps Down ) stinks. That being my overall feeling it's hard to get excited about anyone.

The real question is why are there no genuinely good fillies anymore. With the loss of Pine Island, the dirt fillies and mares looks like a horrendous division for 2007 and this past BC Juvenile fillies was a disgraceful race.

Why do you say that?

I guarantee you that Frankel thought sure he had 2nd place in this race.QL.M. would not let that filly by for 2nd.These 2 fillies ran so much farther than the winner had to.

Well, considering she spotted the field multiple lengths and was making just her second career start, the first being a 6F race in late October, it is hardly surprising Down hung a bit late in the game. It's hard to believe she won't prove the best of these down the road.

And, despite having his name being soiled on this board by a certain delusion poster's pretend relationship with him, Frankel is a pretty damn good trainer.

Wanted to point out that today was Mike Mitchell's first day running out of the detention barn after a supposed Co2 overage(milkshaking) and all he does is go out and win the Starlet.
I'm really not trying to be contrarian here, truly, but does anyone understand the science behind this testing for milkshaking and how accurate it is?

I don't think she hung badly.Both lost a ton of ground in the race,and were tired from it,but Q.L.M. started running hard when that filly tried to go by her.I think you'll see that both these fillies are nice.THEY BOTH LOST HUGE GROUND IN THIS RACE.I don't know what more you can ask from 2 year old fillies than to keep running in the stretch after that.

hmm... fair point. easy to be skeptical when that happens.

She didn't hang " badly "...but she hung.

Whether right or wrong, I'm not a big ground loss guy, especially on the final turn.

You're simply defective.You want 2 year old fillies to run fast,but I can GUARANTEE you they simply can't run all that fast if they have trips like the 2nd and 3rd place horses did.

Phil, last year when he went into the monitoring barn I tossed out his horses and got my ass burned good, the guy kept winning.
He goes into the barn today, and wins a race like he won.
In other words, where are all the guys screaming JUICE JUICE!!! now?

Work's over. They're at the Juice Bar.

I don't " want " anything. These horses are slow. Period. They are slow relative to even moderately talented horses from their division over the past measurable years. Doesn't particularly matter to me, but I know even relatively good horses when I see them, and this group, and division, is not in that category.

The third horse had a lousy trip in that she spotted the field a few lengths. The second horse lost some ground, and probably more importantly seemed to blow the final turn into the strecth and thus lost some momentum, but I don't know that I consider her to have gotten a lousy trip. She's a deep closer....what kind of trip did she figure to get.

There were two 1 1/16 mile races at Hollywood today. The first was a NW1X for 2YO colts where they went slow early and faster late ( 24.8 48.8 1:12.9 1:37.37 1:43.58 ) while the Starlet went much faster early and slowed down quite a bit late ( 22.43 45.47 1:10.3 1:35.89 1:42.61 ). That would certainly not bolster the case that Quick Little Miss had a difficult trip. Sounds to me like the race collapsed. But, the final time was decent...at least relative to the earlier race.

For this argument about C02 testing to make any sense,he would have to have been caught with high co2 on this particular stakes horse,but don't let me get in the way of your bullsht.Cole Norman would agree with you wholeheartedly.BTW,don't forget Kitchingham was caught with high C02,and admitted he was cheating.So, I wouldn't be so quick to say these guys aren't cheating.Think about the logic here:

This guy Mitchell had a horse test high for C02(again.) It wasn't with this stakes horse.Somehow (in Oracle's head) this stakes win(while being in detention) means he is less likely to be guilty of causing a high C02 level in the horse he was accused of doing it to. If he was ever accused of causing a high co2 in this particular horse that won today,then this thinking might make a thread of sense.

I am no expert in either chemistry or biology. I asked if anyone knew anything about the science. Pgardn would be the guy to ask I suppose.
I'm raising a question, many in fact.
Last year when he went to the monitoring barn I pitched his horses out figuring he would cold, he didn't. Today he runs out of the barn and wins a huge race.
I'm not saying he does or does not do anything. But doesn't it raise some questions?

This is not some rare test that is new to the medical field.If you go to the E.R. right now with shortness of breath,they would take your blood and perform what is called "Blood Gases" on it.Your total C02 will be reported in the computer.Believe me,when they get a high C02 level on one of these horses,they have control solutions that they can use to make sure the machine is accurate.They can simply test it on another blood gas machine too.37.0 mmol/l is high enough to ensure that a "non-milkshaked" horse will not exceed it.The average horse tests at 30 mmol/l.You may get an odd horse that naturally tests at 34 or so.Horses don't measure at 37mmol/l naturally,but if they were the one freak that did,then they should test that way weeks later while being tested in a detention barn.When they try this ,the horse tests out in the typical range(not 37 or above.)It is important to remember that this is a test for total co2(C02gas+ bicarbonate ions.)When this level goes up,then lactic acid in muscle(during a race) will go into the blood and form a weaker acid called carbonic acid(allowing horses to get less tired-from the lactic acid.) This tests measures whether an alkalizing agent has been added to the horse's blood(how that is done can't be tested for.) Whether it be by a milkshake,or by a supplement that trainers give(which is what some trainers claim) their horses,it is the alkaline blood that is not allowed.So,for instance,with Mitchell,if he isn't milkshaking,then he needs to stop whatever supplement is causing the alkaline blood.The people who test for this do not think supplements cause the high CO2,but the fact is that if it was causing it,then it is still the trainer's responsibility to make sure the blood is not alkaline.Evidently,the horse's who are most aided by the mikshakes are not the top end horses,and that is why you don't see it used much(positives) on stake horses.37 mmol/l is much higher than most horses naturally have,and so trainers will get their horse's natural level tested,and add only enough alkalizing agent that will result in a 33-35mmol/l type range.I think it is important to look at the one guy who didn't lie:

"The racing officials were very kind to me. I got caught playing with fire, and I'll have to reconsider what I was doing. I'm not going to deny it like everybody else who got caught. It's not going to happen again. Unfortunately, because this is a competitive business, you do stuff you've got to do to try to win races." -Adam Kitchingman

He doesn't leave much wiggle room there.."like everybody else" who got caught.He is awfully sure that they were not being falsely accused,and you should think about this when you think a trainer is being falsely accused.I don't think they are bad people.I am not even sure we should be trying to stop the practice of alkalizing horse's blood.To me,horses get hurt when they are tired(not when they are full of run.)That being said,I don't think it is at all difficult to avoid 37 mmol/l total C02.I think they try to push that natural range to 33-35 mmol/l,but sometimes they mess up(a horse gets too dehydrated etc.and a rare 37 pops up on them.)

they say you learn something every day, i guess today is one of those days.

is it a possibility that someone would 'aid' a horse so as to make them look more palatable next time out in a claiming race?