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blackthroatedwind 12-15-2006 06:12 PM

Rene Douglas Barred from Calder
 
Anybody know anything about this?


http://www.drf.com/news/article/81298.html

GPK 12-15-2006 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Anybody know anything about this?


http://www.drf.com/news/article/81298.html


kinda strange...anything like this ever happen before?

blackthroatedwind 12-15-2006 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by T3B
kinda strange...anything like this ever happen before?

Jockey's have been barred before. I know nothing about Douglas and have no insight into this.

GPK 12-15-2006 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Jockey's have been barred before. I know nothing about Douglas and have no insight into this.


without speculating what Rene did...what are some past fractions thay have gotten jockeys barred? Will the jockeys guild step in and negotiate, meaning have they done something like that in the past?

blackthroatedwind 12-15-2006 06:22 PM

I have no idea. Anything would be speculation on my part and I don't want to do that.

GPK 12-15-2006 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I have no idea. Anything would be speculation on my part and I don't want to do that.


fair enough...understandable..

paisjpq 12-15-2006 06:28 PM

it's awful IMO that the track would bar him publicly then refuse to say why, it always leads to speculation and gossip.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-15-2006 06:31 PM

trust me HE KNOWS...you would think the atrab crew would know whats up...

paisjpq 12-15-2006 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
trust me HE KNOWS...you would think the atrab crew would know whats up...

I'm sure douglas does know...I just think it's low for the track to announce the ban without stating the reason for the ban. thats all.

GPK 12-15-2006 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
I'm sure douglas does know...I just think it's low for the track to announce the ban without stating the reason for the ban. thats all.

I agree...total BS...give the reasoning, or don't make the announcement at all.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-15-2006 06:38 PM

t3b ,,its your birthday..go out....douglas is out...

blackthroatedwind 12-15-2006 06:40 PM

To be fair, they may not have made an announcement, the story may have spread causing Mike Welsch to investigate.

I'm not saying that's the case but these stories make their way around the racetrack in a hurry. I imagine the reason will be out very shortly.

GPK 12-15-2006 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
t3b ,,its your birthday..go out....douglas is out...


early day tomorrow...gotta work..hoping to sliiiiiiide out a bit early tomorrow to catch the late 4 @ TBD.

Kasept 12-15-2006 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
trust me HE KNOWS...you would think the atrab crew would know whats up...

Made the call(s).. Working on an answer.

paisjpq 12-15-2006 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
To be fair, they may not have made an announcement, the story may have spread causing Mike Welsch to investigate.

I'm not saying that's the case but these stories make their way around the racetrack in a hurry. I imagine the reason will be out very shortly.

fair enough...you're probably right. I hadn't considered the rumor-mill that might have gotten to the reporter:o

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-15-2006 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Made the call(s).. Working on an answer.

did you see the spotlight on ...lol

ntheiroff 12-15-2006 09:11 PM

In the recent past, Calder "ruled off" another jockey in the same manner. Apparantly it prevents the jockey from obtaining legal counsel in order to get an appeal on a stewards ruling. If I remember the details correctly, the other jockey that was ruled off in this manner did not perservere with his mount, thereby causing the order of finish to obviously be different.
Reading the charts (Douglas' mounts) for the past 4-5 days may shed some light on the facts.
I don't feel that Calder does this without some merit.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-15-2006 09:12 PM

are you a brother of byk..dke...yikes..

dellinger63 12-15-2006 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ntheiroff
In the recent past, Calder "ruled off" another jockey in the same manner. Apparantly it prevents the jockey from obtaining legal counsel in order to get an appeal on a stewards ruling. If I remember the details correctly, the other jockey that was ruled off in this manner did not perservere with his mount, thereby causing the order of finish to obviously be different.
Reading the charts (Douglas' mounts) for the past 4-5 days may shed some light on the facts.
I don't feel that Calder does this without some merit.

Doesn't make sense. He wins the 8th and is kicked out before the 9th. Fight in jocks room? Winning tickets or batteries falling out of the silks, visa problems?

redransom 12-15-2006 09:41 PM

Weird... he was the king of Calder when I worked there back in the early 90s, even winning seven on a day once. He's had a very rough patch recently, what with his brother dying of an overdose and his father battling illness. I can't imagine what he's done to cause Calder to do this, but if I know Ken Dunn it's not something to snivel at. And I'd go so far as to say it's got little to do with any kind of riding infraction as the races are governed by the FL Dept of Pari-Mutuel Wagering and Calder has to follow their procedures first.

It'll be interesting to see what shakes out in the next few days...

SCUDSBROTHER 12-16-2006 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
Better hurry Steve. The answer was out here earlier today;)

Guy is a piece of work.

ntheiroff 12-16-2006 07:10 AM

are you a brother of byk..dke...yikes..
__________________


Yep, and passed along the legacy:)

Kasept 12-16-2006 08:16 AM

Douglas Situation Update..
 
The Rene Douglas 'rule off' situation continues to evolve and it appears there may be a great deal of residual fallout to it... NO ONE, except Calder senior management and potentially those involved in the specifics, is prepared to reveal the motivations behind the action taken yesterday barring Douglas from the Miami oval...

With no details being released, rumors are rather rampant at Calder and beyond, but strong suggestion has been made that what is behind the ban of Douglas has nothing to do with his work at the CDI-owned circuit..

There are a number of potentially accurate details in this that have come forward, but until a quoteable on-the-record source is willing to provide specific details, it appears idle to speculate further...

More if and when it comes our way..


(Dixie knows though, so you may want to contact him for the story...)

oracle80 12-16-2006 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
The Rene Douglas 'rule off' situation continues to evolve and it appears there may be a great deal of residual fallout to it... NO ONE, except Calder senior management and potentially those involved in the specifics, is prepared to reveal the motivations behind the action taken yesterday barring Douglas from the Miami oval...

With no details being released, rumors are rather rampant at Calder and beyond, but strong suggestion has been made that what is behind the ban of Douglas has nothing to do with his work at the CDI-owned circuit..

There are a number of potentially accurate details in this that have come forward, but until a quoteable on-the-record source is willing to provide specific details, it appears idle to speculate further...

More if and when it comes our way..


(Dixie knows though, so you may want to contact him for the story...)

Steve,
I called my guy friend at Calder and he really had no idea what had happened which shocked me because usually hes got the info on everything. Said the same thing as you, that so many rumors were flying around that it was impossible to tell which were right and which were bull****.

The Bid 12-16-2006 09:03 AM

Spoke to his agent danny today but Im sworn to keep it under a hush. Real interesting story though.

Scav 12-16-2006 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Spoke to his agent danny today but Im sworn to keep it under a hush. Real interesting story though.

So why post this, so you can tell everyone you are 'in the know'?

SCUDSBROTHER 12-16-2006 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
So why post this, so you can tell everyone you are 'in the know'?

Cuz heza half a ******.BTW,what happened to the Brooklyn Scientologist guy that fought with Somer about psych drugs.

Danzig 12-16-2006 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
So why post this, so you can tell everyone you are 'in the know'?

well, maybe. or if you post something obscure, it infers that you know.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-16-2006 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
well, maybe. or if you post something obscure, it infers that you know.

only his hair dresser knows for sure..lol

paisjpq 12-16-2006 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
So why post this, so you can tell everyone you are 'in the know'?

the illusion of importance is almost as important as the importance:D

SentToStud 12-16-2006 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
So why post this, so you can tell everyone you are 'in the know'?

He knows it all.

From Bay Meadows track conditions to Pletcher's suspension.

From Douglas's ban to a "sure thing" chalk at Hawthorne.

Coast to Coast.

Border to Border.

He knows it all.

blackthroatedwind 12-16-2006 10:29 AM

I just spoke to Rene....even he doesn't know what this is about...but he did say that Dicksie knew.....he always knows. Apparently, and I don't think this will come as a surprise to anyone, his UFO picks up EVERYTHING.


Oh, wait, I forgot to add, his agent said he has no idea who the Bid is but if he did he wouldn't have told him the story.

paisjpq 12-16-2006 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I just spoke to Rene....even he doesn't know what this is about...but he did say that Dicksie knew.....he always knows. Apparently, and I don't think this will come as a surprise to anyone, his UFO picks up EVERYTHING.


Oh, wait, I forgot to add, his agent said he has no idea who the Bid is but if he did he wouldn't have told him the story.

so let me get this straight...now you're 'in the know' too?...steve's gonna need more bandwidth to keep up with the swelling heads :D

blackthroatedwind 12-16-2006 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
so let me get this straight...now you're 'in the know' too?...steve's gonna need more bandwidth to keep up with the swelling heads :D

Well, to be perfectly honest, my conversations were telepathic. But, to be fair, I just assumed everybody's were.

ArlJim78 12-16-2006 10:36 AM

I'm now "in the know" also.

the cashier at the car wash this morning has a sister who lives in Miami.
Her best friend works at a place where friends of Rene's used to hang out.
Got the whole story from this guy.

i did promise not to say a word though. sorry all...
my word is my bond.

Danzig 12-16-2006 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Well, to be perfectly honest, my conversations were telepathic. But, to be fair, I just assumed everybody's were.

that sounds easier than my method. i let my dog nose out scrabble tiles and then make words out of all the letters.

blackthroatedwind 12-16-2006 10:38 AM

Alright, I got the story.....he was banned because it was discovered that he is actually Dixie.

Fanofthejuiceguys 12-16-2006 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Alright, I got the story.....he was banned because it was discovered that he is actually Dixie.


So are you saying that Rene Douglas has an imaginary friend named BOBBY too?

2Hot4TV 12-16-2006 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Fanofthejuiceguys
So are you saying that Rene Douglas has an imaginary friend named BOBBY too?

You very funny.

oracle80 12-16-2006 11:53 AM

At least "The Bid' actually works in this game and has accomplished things within it.
Those who can do, those who can't talk about the people who do.
I don't doubt that he does know what the story is, and I ca see where it rub people the wrong way to say I know but can't tell. But give me the opinions and info of people like Outofthebox, Cannon Shell, Richi, and The bid any DAY over the folks who aren't in the game. Those guys are actually players.


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