OSU vs. UF
 

anything else would be an abomination!

I agree. OSU vs Fl

I dunno about an abomination.
Mich lost in the other team's stadium by a field goal.
Either way, I'm satisfied because even if they won today, USC had no business in that game, none.
Lets face it, Florida will get beat almost as badly as USC would have if they get the nod.
If Florida gets the nod the sweatervest has a championship in the bag.

it would say that the other conferences don't matter
Florida is a conference champion, Michigan is a second place conference team

Here is another way to look at it. Both Fl and Mich played two patsy div 2 type teams so I tossed those. Fl opponents won 63.43% of their games. Mich opponents won 58.33% of their games. They both played 3 each 10 win teams and both won 2 of those 3 games. Mich won 9 of 10 games (tossed Cent Mich and Ball St), Fl won 10 of 11 games (tossed UCF and West Carolina). Based on strength of opponents, Fl deserves the shot.

In the rest of the country outside the of the south, noone gives a rats ass about conferences, they just want the best two teams to meet in the championship game and provide the most exciting game.
You see, when the best two teams meet, its always more exciting than watching one team pound on another team.
Now, if you wanna make a little wager on OSU-Florida if it occurs be my guest!!!
I think that anyone who is advocating such a matchup wholeheartedly should be willing to back the Gators, seems logical.

i heard if mich played fla on a neutral field they would be 6 point fav's

I think it will be OSU vs UF and the line will be OSU -10

I agree.
yeah, all the lines makers said Michigan would be a 6-7 point fave over Florida on a neutral field.
Florida will get absolutely destroyed by OSU, won't even be a game.
You'd think maybe one of these "yee haw!! So SEC" guys who are so outspoken about Florida should be playing in the big game would wanna put down their money against OSU in the big game.
Lets see how many of these yeehaws want some action.

so one has to say yeehaw if one roots for an sec team? hmm, interesting.

it has nothing to do with what you feel the outcome of a game would be, it has to do with getting the two best teams to meet. according to what i've seen, at this point florida should be chosen over michigan to face OSU. and after the upset win by ucla mike, you should know that on any given saturday, any team can beat any other team.

No you misunderstand. You aren't a yee haw if you root for an SEC team.
You are a yee haw if you root for an SEC team(that isnt yours) to make a chapionship game as if that somehow vindicates the SEC team you root for who is not going.
I just don't grasp the logic of that and never will. It would be like me rooting for the Cowboys to get to the super bowl if the Giants don't go as if by being in the same division as the Giants it vindictates them.
I just don't understand or get this logic and never will.
And you can use that any given sunday crap on anything, but anyone who thinks Florida is a better team than Michigan needs counseling or isnt that bright.
Bottom line is that Fla-OSU will produce a boredom blowout game, anyone who thinks other wise, well I'm sure plenty of folks will offer you the spread. I doubt many will be takers though.

ok, i think i've got you on the yeehaw thing. but many of us who pull for an sec team know that week in and week out, the sec is so tough. very contentious, and seemingly not getting the respect it should nationwide.

i think all this debate is moot. i think michigan gets their re-do. whether michigan is better than florida--i'm not sure i'd take either one over the other. after all, i feel florida could handle those on michigans schedule. i wonder what michigans record would be had they played lsu's schedule...or what would OSU's be? lsu played four top ten teams on the road. OSU can't boast that resume, can they?

OSU's schedule:

September 2 Northern Illinois W 35-12 1-0 (0-0)
September 9 at No. 2 Texas W 24-7 2-0 (0-0)
September 16 Cincinnati W 37-7 3-0 (0-0)
September 23 No. 24 Penn State W 28-6 4-0 (1-0)
September 30 at No. 13 Iowa W 38-17 5-0 (2-0)
October 7 Bowling Green W 35-7 6-0 (2-0)
October 14 at Michigan State W 38-7 7-0 (3-0)
October 21 Indiana W 44-3 8-0 (4-0)
October 28 Minnesota W 44-0 9-0 (5-0)
November 4 at Illinois W 17-10 10-0 (6-0)
November 11 at Northwestern W 54-10 11-0 (7-0)
November 18 No. 2 Michigan W 42-39 12-0 (8-0)

Michigan:

September 2 Vanderbilt W 27-7 1-0 (0-0)
September 9 Central Michigan W 41-17 2-0 (0-0)
September 16 at No. 2 Notre Dame W 47-21 3-0 (0-0) NBC
September 23 Wisconsin W 27-13 4-0 (1-0)
September 30 at Minnesota W 28-14 5-0 (2-0)
October 7 Michigan State W 31-13 6-0 (3-0)
October 14 at Penn State W 17-10 7-0 (4-0)
October 21 Iowa W 20-6 8-0 (5-0)
October 28 Northwestern W 17-3 9-0 (6-0)
November 4 Ball State W 34-26 10-0 (6-0)
November 11 at Indiana W 34-3 11-0 (7-0)
November 18 at No. 1 Ohio State L 42-39 11-1 (7-1)


florida:

September 2 Southern Miss W 34-7 1-0 (0-0)
September 9 UCF W 42-0 2-0 (0-0)
September 16 at No. 13 Tennessee W 21-20 3-0 (1-0) CBS
September 23 Kentucky W 26-7 4-0 (2-0)
September 30 Alabama W 28-13 5-0 (3-0) CBS
October 7 No. 9 LSU W 23-10 6-0 (4-0) CBS
October 14 at No. 11 Auburn L 27-17 6-1 (4-1)
October 28 at Georgia W 21-14 7-1 (5-1) CBS
November 4 at Vanderbilt W 25-19 8-1 (6-1)
November 11 South Carolina W 17-16 9-1 (7-1) CBS
November 18 Western Carolina W 62-0 10-1 (7-1)
November 25 at Florida State W 21-14 11-1 (7-1)
December 2 No. 8 Arkansas W 38-28 12-1 (7-1) CBS

While I'm not a fan of rematches, I think it's clearly Michigan here. Reason why? They are a lot better team than FL. Michigan lost one game by 3 points to the #1 in the country on it's home field. If Michigan gets the nod, I look for a repeat of year in which Fl St. beat FL by 3 and then they had a rematch in the Sugar Bowl and FL blew them out. Will it be Michigan? Who knows...but I think they are clearly better than the gators. Not a banner year for college football, that's for sure.

but on what basis is michigan 'a lot better'? i mean, a LOT? from what i've seen, based on #'s, florida had a slightly tougher schedule than michigan. yes, based on one loss each, michigan lost to the better team. but it's more than just that one loss that they go by.

It's going to be interesting.

I'm a Michigan grad but live in Florida, so I'm ok with either.

Mich lost by 3 pts at OSU.

Florida lost by 10 at Auburn.

What would have been real interesting is if the OSU-Michigan game had been played yesterday as opposed to a week ago. More people would be clamoring for the rematch, I think. As it is, a bit of the "out of sight, out of mind" is at work.

Can't blame the Florida people for saying it's their turn.

If Gators get there and win, they'd be reigning champs in Basketball and Football. That would be pretty big...

we'll know this evening. 7 my time.

if lsu goes to pasadena, they'll be the first sec team in 60 years to go. 'bama went in 46. over 36k tickets have been bought by lsu fans who think they're cal-bound.

and i type all this while drinking coffee from my purple and gold cup....


oh, and arkansas (god rot them) may go to the outback, to meet penn state. go nittany lions.

i grew up in md, so always pulled for penn. adopted lsu when i moved down here 12 years ago.


speaking of penn st, my youngest asked who would coach when joe paterno retires. i stared at him like he was sprouting a second head!! lol well, geez eric, i don't know i told him. joe's been there my entire life. now THAT will be odd when he isn't there anymore.

IT IS SO AWESOME THAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT, just keeps people complaining and bitching about the playoff and WE FINALLY MIGHT SEE IT soon.

It would be awesome for them to just do it this year, make a judgement call and say "You know what, I am picking 8 teams, and you guys are actually going to PLAY to win the National Title, instead of automatically being handed a 50% chance (natural odds) to win the stupid thing"

there absolutely should be a playoff... adding a game to the schedule and losing the bye week certainly put a wrinkle in their fabric of 'can't mess with these guys education, playing too many would hinder the students'. take the winners of each conference and play them off. of course that system would keep top teams out, such as michigan and lsu. perhaps a few 'wild card' teams.

there is no perfect system. but the bcs system is so incredibly flawed.. at least a playoff would put the teams in complete charge of their destiny. look at lsu yesterday, they move up and didn't even play.

Zieg and Coach and whoever, just answer me this one question honestly ok?
Lets say their is a national contest/lottery. Mr and Mrs Zeig and Mr and Mrs Coach get pulled out of the drawing.
You just won a 100,000 bet on a game between Michigan and Florida.
Which team are you gonna put your 100 grand on?

Yeah you missed UCLA saving USC from an alltime beating from OSU.
I'm kinda wondering how the "USC deserves the bid" guys are now, anyone seen them?
Imagine that, guys telling us that a team who lost to Oregon St shoulda been in the championship over Mich and Florida?
That game woulda been extremely ugly.

BCS Championship Game
 

It isn't hard to figure it out Ohio State should play Florida for the championship. Florida played the toughest schedule of the year. They come from where I feel is the best conference in all of college football. At least for thier non conference/scrimmage games they don't play Army, Navy, and Air Force. Take note of that last one all you Notre Dame fans. Again it proves why there is a need for some sort of playoff system. I am sure you will have a team that is deserving a playoff spot not getting in and raising hell about it. While Michigan would be a very deserving oppenent for Ohio State, they had thier chance a few weeks ago. If they had played earlier in the year then you could maybe a case for a rematch.

Dahoss,
Noone is in Seattle's league.
You weren't on our old board, his list of mushed horses(and reverse mushes who he said could never win a grade one, who won one in their next starts) is legendary.
Seattle actually said Derby week of 2004(I'm not making this up, everyone from the old board will confirm this) that if Smarty Jones won the Derby that his lack of class would make him worth no more than 2 million at stud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is a fact, he only missed by 38 million.:D

i won 100grand? i wouldn't bet again, i'd be at the two year old in training sale.

also, look at floridas opponents and how many are bowl bound. how many of THEIR opponents are bowl bound. most sec teams are playing post season.

florida won the sec. did michigan win their conference? NO! how can a team win a nat'l title if they can't even win their conference??????? obviously OSU is what kept them from the win. but it's still a fact they didn't win. they had their shot at osu and no 1, mich failed.

Florida's schedule is only if you think the sec was a tough conference this year. I think it was a below average year for them. They just took turns beating the hell out of each other. Ill take the top 3 in the big ten over the top 3 in the sec any day.

it has nothing to do with the south
if the officals wouldn't have blow the OKlahoma-Oregon game
I'd say OU would have a better beef than Michigan
the national championship should be played with conference champions

you don't seem to comprehend Vegas doesn't control college football

the Michigan "lost by 3" and so deserves to play is crap
they scored a TD very late and added a 2 point converstion
FLA was down 4 to auburn and tried to pass it to each other on the final play which led to a fumble and an auburn score with no time left
Michigan had their hands full with BALL STATE!

So are you saying that Florida is a better team than Michigan right here?
And how much will you be wagering on them against Ohio St?

I'm pretty proud of Michigan for not campaigning, I think Urban looks like a 4 year old...here's some interesting stuff I would point out.

Over and over and over again they said that Florida had the toughest schedule based on opponent win percentage. A few times they said UM was #3, but the main focus was that UF had the #1 toughest schedule. They repeatedly noted that the criteria for that statement was opponent win percentage. BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE!!!

Michigan's opponents: 84-61 (0.5793)
Florida's opponents: 90-66 (0.5769)

The only way to make the numbers work the way ESPN presented them is if you take out Florida's game against a 2-9 IAA team (W. Carolina) from the calculations. But shouldn't playing a 2-9 IAA team reflect negatively on your schedule strength?

And they had one common opponent Vanderbilt.
UF won 25-19 and was outgained by Vandy 391-330
UM won 27-7 and outgained Vandy 381-171

Let Florida get their wish...I look forward to rooting for O$U

yes FLA is better than Michigan
the AP and Coaches have just voted it as well
so I'm not way off in left field for thinking such a thing
if Michigan goes and wins, not only will the series with OSU be 1-1
but the AP will split the NC with FLA, provided they win their bowl game
the whole thing begs for a playoff~but provided the betting line
I'd be careful of betting on OSU in a game w/ Florida
Percy Harvin is just as explosive as Ginn, and will make those
big guys look like fools trying to tackle him, speed kills

ahh sweet southern speed can't be stopped. The "no rematch" defense is laughable since Florida's 97 title was, uh well over a Florida St. team that beat them earlier in the year. Florida and Michigan both deserve a shot, and the problem is the system.

W 08-30-1996 55 Louisiana-Lafayette 21Gainesville, FL
W 09-07-1996 62 Georgia Southern 14Gainesville, FL
W 09-21-1996 35 Tennessee 29 Knoxville, TN
W 09-28-1996 65 Kentucky 0 Gainesville, FL
W 10-05-1996 42 Arkansas7 Fayetteville, AR
W 10-12-1996 56 Louisiana St. 13 Gainesville, FL
W 10-19-1996 51 Auburn (AL) 10 Gainesville, FL
W 11-02-1996 47 Georgia 7 Jacksonville, FL
W 11-09-1996 28 Vanderbilt (TN) 21 Nashville, TN
W 11-16-199652 South Carolina 25 Gainesville, FL
L 11-30-1996 21 Florida St. 24 Tallahassee, FL
W 12-07-1996 45 Alabama 30 SEC Championship Game
W 01-02-1997 52 Florida St.20 Sugar Bowl

but it was by 3 points on the road!
what the pro-rematchers are saying
and this was 10 years ago before the "BCS" was in place
just goes to show the new system hasn't made things any better/clearer
btw, I was not for this 1997 rematch either
if Boise State wins and Ohio State loses can we make them #1?

Wasn't UM's loss 3 points on the road too? I'm not really arguing, I'm fine with Florida going but you're going to have to do better than that...LOL

They could have resolved this, they added the game and should have made it +1 system instead of what they did to appease the mid-majors...oh well.

On a lighter note, if UM and SC go to the Rose, at least their cheerleader's will be pulling for my squad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brcl8U0jHto&eurl=

that UF team did put up some nasty numbers
they had some receivers who could flat out fly
umm, no you missed my point~I don't want this rematch
and didn't want that one either, regardless of points lost by
it's just my main point is...UF and UM played hard schedules
both have one road loss, the difference is one is 1st in their
respected conference while the other 2nd
to say one conference is better than the other is subjective
at this point
what isn't is that OSU has beaten UM already
so let's have the SEC #1 face the Big Ten #1 for the NC
yeeee haaaaw! better git back to me moonshine, it is a Sunday

What would be best for all is if 5 or 6 teams come very close to a tie in BCS points, one defeat for each, and none of the aforementioned having played a game with each other.
What we really need is a playoff system forced on the frickn bowl $ mongers and their blue-blooded University President friends.
I was hoping USC would lose so there would be a big Florida v. Michigan controversy. If OSU had 1 loss, and had skipped Michigan in conf. play (which never happens but should), it would have been a really nice situation. We can always hope next year ends up in utter confusion... the house of bowl shi t needs to be brought down.

usc does not belong..they got two losses..by shiet teams..

Ohio State will beat that ass

I am guessing OSU is a 6pt favorite over Florida when Pinny opens it up