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Balletto 12-01-2006 07:51 PM

Stonewall... wtf???
 
A.P. Warrior 20k
British Blue 5k
Doneraile Court 10k
It's No Joke 10k
Lawyer Ron Private
Leroidesanimaux 25k
Marquetry 7.5k
Medaglia d'Oro 40k
Value Plus 12.5k

They're filling up the barn quickly as hell but what happened to quality over quantity?

A.P. Warrior at 20k is a lil steep but he's got a sexy pedigree... he'll probably get a decent book. Still questionable fee though.

British Blue is the real sleeper here. I heard he's a very good looking boy and he traces back to the old Darby Dan fam of Golden Trail. This family can get you a big sire, such as Dynaformer and Brian's Time... then again, they also gave us Monarchos (I still heart him).

Donerail Court... At any other KY farm, he'd be shipped out to a regional market.

It's No Joke... you sure?

Lawyer Ron... wonder what he's going for...

Leroi... Kinda like him. Talented horse with a family who can produce a stallion.

Marquetry... one of the best values at stud. Can get you a very talented runner. Good breed to race type. Good price. Also a good sabino sire for the color breeders.

Medaglia... I just cant see him as a stallion of any note.

Value Plus... Take Unbridled's Song out of the equation and he's a colt that never won a Graded race out of a Rollin On Over mare. Huh??!!

Interesting line up to say the least.

The Bid 12-01-2006 08:03 PM

The guy that buys all those horses is nuts

Balletto 12-01-2006 08:04 PM

Im shocked. :rolleyes:

The Bid 12-01-2006 08:06 PM

Not shy to spend money, but very crazy

philcski 12-01-2006 08:20 PM

I was there 4 weeks ago for a stallion show, got in trouble with some people because I told the groom that Value Plus was a no-heart bum.

Only one I like out of this group is MDO, but I'm not sure 40k is fair. AP Warrior is not worth 20K, despite his pedigree. British Blue was a good looker... since when was It's No Joke and Lawyer Ron added?

Balletto 12-01-2006 08:26 PM

Its No Joke was added like a day ago... Lawyer Ron was announced a while ago.

philcski 12-01-2006 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Balletto
Its No Joke was added like a day ago... Lawyer Ron was announced a while ago.

I thought Lawyer Ron was going to attempt a 4YO campaign? So much for that.

And for the 2 other fans besides me, Sharp Humor has also been retired.

Balletto 12-01-2006 08:35 PM

He may be running a 4yo campaign... but he's listed in the stallion register, although with a private fee which may bode well for him returning to the races.

Cannon Shell 12-01-2006 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
This is pretty funny. Did he come out of the Cigar hurt?

Not bad but .....he's done enough, you know...

philcski 12-01-2006 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
This is pretty funny. Did he come out of the Cigar hurt?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/sea...8031&Section=1

"reaggrivated his knee injury."
Truth is he was running the same figures after the Derby injury as before. But, you know, he's done enough...

philcski 12-01-2006 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Balletto
He may be running a 4yo campaign... but he's listed in the stallion register, although with a private fee which may bode well for him returning to the races.

I didn't think much of him anyways, but I would like to see him run at 4.

SCUDSBROTHER 12-01-2006 10:01 PM

That gray rat (V.P.) should go for $2,500.

oracle80 12-01-2006 10:09 PM

I wonder who makes up the prices of the horses this guy stands?
You figure they just shake up a magic eight ball? Or do they do an eight ball and then just start tossing out figures?

The Bid 12-01-2006 10:13 PM

haha, they do an 8 ball

Kasept 12-01-2006 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I find it kind of humorous that Romans called him freakishly fast. He was a nice NY bred though, but you guys are right, he 's done enough....

He's goes down as the single horse that ever extended Barbaro all out.. I got close to Sharp Humor at Palm Meadows last winter, and believe me, he was VERY fast and VERY talented. It was unlikely that he was going to come back close to what he was after the injury in the Derby. I thought it was nuts to run him there, but it was a shot for the Edelberg's (the Purdy's partners) at the brass ring... Has a great personality too, and likely will be a good sire.

kentuckyrosesinmay 12-01-2006 11:24 PM

I think that Barbaro was all out that day, but Barbaro was actually slipping on the dirt a little bit while coming down the stretch and that actually cost him a little bit. Barbaro was better suited to that distance IMO too.

repent 12-02-2006 12:52 AM

Value Plus has a nice pedigree, not that it made him much of a racehorse.
half to Roll Hennessy Roll and Majorbigtimesheet.
his dam was a stakes winner and I read somewhere 5 of her 7 won at first asking.

he should be an ideal win early sire.

I get why breeders would have interest there.
MDO should make an excellent sire of both turf and dirt runners.

the others, well its a lot of speculation and wishful thinking.

like mentioned earlier in this thread, the listed prices(which I am sure are not set in stone) seem very random.

I get Stonewall is trying to jump right into the market and make a splash but they would have been better served to bring in some of the very nice and productive sires that stand in Florida.


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repent 12-02-2006 01:00 AM

oh,
and on the Sharp Humor subject.
very nice racehorse.
just did not get a chance to run all that much.

why are so many good Distorted Humor runners NY breds?
he has never stood in NY has he?

I know you can have a state bred come from any sire, it just seems like I see a lot of Distorted Humor runners on past performaces sheets listed as NY breds.
i know he has stakes winners like Sensibly Chic, Commentator, FCide, and Sharp Humor.
but he has a lot of NY breds in general also.
can anyone shed some light on that for me?
thanks.



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Danzig 12-02-2006 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
I was there 4 weeks ago for a stallion show, got in trouble with some people because I told the groom that Value Plus was a no-heart bum.

Only one I like out of this group is MDO, but I'm not sure 40k is fair. AP Warrior is not worth 20K, despite his pedigree. British Blue was a good looker... since when was It's No Joke and Lawyer Ron added?

lawyer ron was purchased before the ky derby. no word yet on retirement, just that he will stand at stonewall when he is thru. he needs to continue to run, pad his resume and get some of that tarnish off of his image.

mdo is a bit high imo, but aren't they all anymore???

Danzig 12-02-2006 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oracle80
I wonder who makes up the prices of the horses this guy stands?
You figure they just shake up a magic eight ball? Or do they do an eight ball and then just start tossing out figures?

dart board?


no wait, i know...they take the final odds from these guys last race. add zeroes. there ya go, stud fee.

Danzig 12-02-2006 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
He's goes down as the single horse that ever extended Barbaro all out.. I got close to Sharp Humor at Palm Meadows last winter, and believe me, he was VERY fast and VERY talented. It was unlikely that he was going to come back close to what he was after the injury in the Derby. I thought it was nuts to run him there, but it was a shot for the Edelberg's (the Purdy's partners) at the brass ring... Has a great personality too, and likely will be a good sire.

that race imo is similar to when sun king pressed invasor...a bit of a 'bounce' by the top horse in the field, and at the same time, a great run by a horse who isn't tops, but has their moments.

blackthroatedwind 12-02-2006 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
He's goes down as the single horse that ever extended Barbaro all out.. I got close to Sharp Humor at Palm Meadows last winter, and believe me, he was VERY fast and VERY talented. It was unlikely that he was going to come back close to what he was after the injury in the Derby. I thought it was nuts to run him there, but it was a shot for the Edelberg's (the Purdy's partners) at the brass ring... Has a great personality too, and likely will be a good sire.


Not so sure I agree with much of this. Couldn't one say that whatever horse was second in the mediocre Holy Bull also " extended Barbaro all out "? Couldn't one also say that the only truly special race Barbaro ever ran on the dirt was the Kentucky Derby? Couldn't one also say that Sharp Humor took advantage of a speed favoring track in the Florida Derby and a pretty questionable field save Barbaro?

Sharp Humor was certainly a well above average horse but he was also just as certainly another horse that, at least on the internet, earned some sort of reputation that was hard to justify when looking at his pps. In fact, it feels like his connections believed, or possessed, that same unjustifiable opinion when they foolishly ran him in the Cigar in just his second race back from an injury. This was far more ridiculous than them trying him in the Derby, where obviously he also had no shot, but there's only one Kentucky Derby and it is understandably hard to pass up after his deceptive performance in the Florida Derby. While it's possible that his unfortunate injuries would have happened regardless of where he had raced it is also quite possible that he is yet another horse who was injured because his ability was misinterpreted. Had he been less aggressively spotted perhaps he would have reestablished his form and then have been sound enough to have taken advantage of a situation akin to the mediocre bunch that assembled for last year's Grade 1 Carter Handicap.

Cannon Shell 12-02-2006 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not so sure I agree with much of this. Couldn't one say that whatever horse was second in the mediocre Holy Bull also " extended Barbaro all out "? Couldn't one also say that the only truly special race Barbaro ever ran on the dirt was the Kentucky Derby? Couldn't one also say that Sharp Humor took advantage of a speed favoring track in the Florida Derby and a pretty questionable field save Barbaro?

Sharp Humor was certainly a well above average horse but he was also just as certainly another horse that, at least on the internet, earned some sort of reputation that was hard to justify when looking at his pps. In fact, it feels like his connections believed, or possessed, that same unjustifiable opinion when they foolishly ran him in the Cigar in just his second race back from an injury. This was far more ridiculous than them trying him in the Derby, where obviously he also had no shot, but there's only one Kentucky Derby and it is understandably hard to pass up after his deceptive performance in the Florida Derby. While it's possible that his unfortunate injuries would have happened regardless of where he had raced it is also quite possible that he is yet another horse who was injured because his ability was misinterpreted. Had he been less aggressively spotted perhaps he would have reestablished his form and then have been sound enough to have taken advantage of a situation akin to the mediocre bunch that assembled for last year's Grade 1 Carter Handicap.

Well stated


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