Yet ANOTHER Jump Start wins
 

I touted this sire the goods earlier this year.
Whats that 20 winners so far on a book that included few if any big name mares?
Hes sure as hell gonna get the mares this year!!!

He was the best deal to be had for an incoming freshman stallion in some time. He originally retired at 5k but could be had for 3.5k his first year. He was oversubscribed at that price and has steadily went up.

He's a hell of a sexy piece of flesh in person other than that one scary ankle.

He was obviously talented and proved it on the track before the injury...

And pedigree wise, he's got everything going for him. He hails to the great Claiborne family and bluehen Lea Lane who is responsible for such standouts as Southern Halo, Leallah, Miswaki, Eternity Star, ect.

The family can produce a top stallion...

Imagine the upgrade his book gets this year?

And deservedly so... you know, at this point, certain parellels to how Storm Cat started off for the same connections. I'll tell you whats even better, most the foals I saw by him looked like they would be better 3yo's. The fact they're doing good at 2 is that much more reassuring about his future and theirs.

It will all just be staving off the inevitable at Overbrook!

he retired due to some serious injuries. he is crossed to Secretariat, which is not a good idea although crossing Secretariat seems to be in vogue now. still, if one avoids any more Secretariats in a mating he holds some appeal.

Balletto, Do you go to any of the two-year old sales in Florida? If you go to any of the sales in February and March, it gives you a good idea of who the hot new sire may be. I knew that Orientate would have a good year because his 2 year olds looked so good at the sales. By the same token, practically all the babies by Budha did not look very good. Granted the sample is not that big, but if you get to watch 10-15 horses work who are by the same sire, that gives you a decent sample. With Orientate, I must have watched at least 15 of his 2 year olds work at the sales in February and March and at least half of them could really run. With some of the other sires, it was more like 10%.

I his size probably played a factor in it as well. I believe the same thing with most the Unbridled's... big horses who may be fast and talented at 2, doesnt mean they should be rushed just because they "can".

You know, my mare Natalie Beach is inbred to Somethingroyal 5sx3d. I was thinking of crossing her back over for another RF to Maria's Mon to pick up more High Voltage, instead of going for another Somethingroyal.

I've never been to a 2yo sale. Funny enough though, I go through the cats for my brother and father and talked up a Monarchos filly in one of the Florida sales. They looked at her, didnt like her and passed. She RNA'd. Two months later, she was the stakes winner Fifth Avenue. :rolleyes:

Honestly, my relationship to the sport has always been through my father until very recently. And I focus more on broodmares although I do have a share with my brother in a Meadowlake we are thinking of pinhooking as a two year old.

Shining Forever would make for an intriguing mating with Jump Start.

Brings in both Somethingroyal and High Voltage... but isnt that a mare? She's/He's listed as such on pedigreequery.

High Voltage is a G1W mare...

Yes, I know. And a 2-year-old champion. She's my mare's 4th dam. I was speaking about Shining Forever... she's listed as a filly. Is that correct? I guess the mention of crossing well threw me.

she's a mare with a great ped

Alright, got ya. She def has an interesting pedigree. Lord Avie isnt exciting to me, but her lines are great. She looked like a hard knocking type.

I tried to pm you but its not an option... can you email? My email is listed... I want to ask you a question about a hypo mating. :D

I remember seeing the weanling photos of Orientate's foals in Blood Horse and absolutely loving them, I like stallions that stamp themselves into the foal, to me they all seemed to have great laid back shoulders, well set necks and substantial hips, almost more like Quarter Horse foals.

with JS i would actually have a list of don'ts...don't cross Secretariat or a Mr Propspector; don't inbreed to much...JS biggest problem was his soundness and you have to breed around that.

You are a very ignorant person.
Jump Start was not "unsound".
he was run into the ground when he was obviously hurting.
What is it exactly that you do know?
It sure isn't anything even remotely related to racing, thats for damn sure.

Lemme guess, you are a NY breeder and went to one of those "noble steeds" who stand here and weren't bright enough to go to Jump Start for 10 grand and have one on the ground or in the belly who is worth a hell of a lot more than that right?
Nah, you don't want be burdened with things like making a wise decision and profiting from it, so you instead preach to crickets chirping that a sire who stood for 10 grand who has 18 winners already in his first crop despite going to a less than stellar book of mares actually isn't a smashing success.
Lemme guess, you went to Tomorrows Cat and whoever is standing out in Unadilla these days right?

that's ur opinion. i'm entitled to mine dude. so get bent.

it would be good to give JS some more Latroienne.

Your opinion is lousy, just so you know.

From what I heard, he was bred to excellent mares, so that may have been a big part of his success.

It's actually the cannon bone above the ankle, but I believe his ankle is fused for support. When you look close you can see where the injury occurred; a displaced condylar fracture just above the fetlock joint. It resembles Saratoga Six's (may he rest in peace), but actually a lot better looking.

Jump Start is literally the kindest stallion I've ever been around, and one of the largest. He'll get you if you're not paying attention simply because he can, but you can play with him without ever worrying that he'll lay his ears back and bite you from pure spite. I'm happy Jump Start is doing so well, really.

He's been unbelievable .........if only he could get that first stakes winner, though. Still, 20 winners...........and he's gone unnoticed, for the most part. He's done way better than I ever thought he would, certainly as a sire of juveniles.

I remember when he broke down - the vet said that Jump Start only made it because of his very classy demeanor. The colt fortunately had a good temperment - he was stall-bound for months, I believe.

I remember seeing him as a baby at the Spa- he looked like a stallion even then, the spitting image of Storm Cat.

The fact is that with Gone West, Storm Cat and AP Indy all carrying Secretariat blood (through the female side) there is bound to be alot of "Sec. inbreeding."

Jump Start was a steal. He suffered a catastrophic injury which could have been fatal. He may have been one of the best of his crop but we'll never know. His first crop has 18 winners, conceived for $5k each to mares of moderate quality. His babies should stretch out well and are winning on all surfaces. Anyone who got in withhim early should be dancing for joy. Remember, many of those wins are coming at A league tracks like SAR, BEL and CD. That's not easy.

And they were also selling quite well... he's been a blessing for a lot of small breeders.

Very well stated.
If he was bred to any great mares I sure haven't seen them.
As a matter of fact most of the winners hes had come out of mares I never even heard of.
They all seem to be hard knocking, and they love two turns.
The best is yet to come from him.

Oracle one suit:

It's nice to see you act like a douchebag when expressing yourself to everyone else as well.

Whats nicer are guys trying to explain that a sire who stood for a measly 5 grand in his debut year at stud with 18 winners, most at major tracks, is no good.
Whos the big lock today?

Mike,
I like you.
At times you give good insights.
So does Sumitas. He speaks for himself.
I just wish you two wouldn't "dig in your heels".
Sumitas's mare is bred to Desert Warrior. It took him lots of thought to come up with this. No need to disrespect his choice, even though it might not agree with yours. Heck, if I could afford to ship one of mine to Jump Start, I certainly would. As of now, I'll take what I've got.
Peace brothers.
DTS

I wish him the very best of luck, I truly do. Hope his mare throws a nice one who sells or runs well.
But I don't see how bashing a success story sire figures into this. Noone was knocking Desert Warrior, and I can't see why he would knock Jump Start.

Well, Mike, I don't know a lot about Jump Start. My guess is that Sumitas was talking about soundness...but that's for him to answer.
Speaking of "Best of Luck"...that foal is very close to being born.
I can't wait.

I remember having a dream about the BC Juvy the night before Jump Start ran in that race. In my dream he won, but in reality it did not work out for him. He was pushed by D. Wayne and sometimes that backfires. I am thrilled to see him "winning" at stud and I am certainly thrilled to see another son of Slew's best son at stud succeeding.:cool:

Anyone who saw this horse's first few races knows that without being pushed into sumbmision, he could have been ANYTHING.
His debut at CD was as fine a debut as you will ever see, and at saratoga in the Special that he won, he banged into the gate real hard coming out and somehow got up anyway.
Of all the horses D Wayne pushed into the ground, I bet if you asked him if he could have one "do over", who would it be, he'd say Jump Start.

Thats an interesting statement Mike... and I wouldnt doubt it. I've always loved him and the more I look at him, the more I wish he fit my filly. Check your PMs Mike.

at least you havent blamed me for mushing him on BC day

He was broke down before he hit the gate that day.

I think you are absolutely right about Jump Start and D. Wayne. I had followed the horse from his debut and your comments brought back memories for me. The coach has had so much talent in his barn. It is too bad that he never knew when to lighten up on them. Boston Harbor was a big letdown for me, among others. He had so much promise. The list goes on and on, with Jump Start at the top.

and let me add my usual worthless 2 cents........ balletto, your avatar is a beautiful thing;)