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Kasept 05-02-2022 12:31 PM

5/6 (CD): 148th Kentucky Oaks Day
 



Kasept 05-02-2022 12:32 PM






Kasept 05-02-2022 01:09 PM




freddymo 05-02-2022 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1163908)
148th Kentucky Oaks

1. Secret Oath (Saez/Lukas) 6-1
2. Nostalgic (J. Ortiz/Mott) 15-1
3. Hidden Connection (Gutierrez/Calhoun) 20-1
4. Nest (I. Ortiz/Pletcher) 5-2**
5. Goddess of Fire (Velazquez/Pletcher) 15-1
6. Yuugiri (Geroux/Brisset) 30-1
7. Echo Zulu (Rosario/Asmussen) 4-1
8. Venti Valentine (Gaffalione/Abreu) 20-1
9. Desert Dawn (Rispoli/D’Amato) 20-1
10. Kathleen O. (Castellano/McGaughey) 7-2
11. Cocktail Moments (Lanerie/McPeek) 30-1
12. Candy Raid (Bejarano/Desormeaux) 30-1
13. Shahama (Prat/Pletcher) 15-1
14. Turnerloose (Franco/Cox) 20-1
AE-15. Beguine (Pietz/Santana) 30-1


Nice M/L Really?

Dahoss 05-02-2022 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1163918)
Nice M/L Really?

Battaglia has really done enough.

freddymo 05-02-2022 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1163921)
Battaglia has really done enough.

He doesn't take an important job serious on arguably the most important card in racing

Alabama Stakes 05-02-2022 07:19 PM

I’d love 15-1 on Nostalgic, the Oaks winner.

freddymo 05-03-2022 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1163925)
I’d love 15-1 on Nostalgic, the Oaks winner.

Pretty sure you will get at least that price.

knickslions2 05-05-2022 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1163925)
I’d love 15-1 on Nostalgic, the Oaks winner.

Your screwed as that's my pick of the day. There are alot of good horses in this race but I love the direction this horse is going. The price is right on her! Good luck.

Alabama Stakes 05-05-2022 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1163944)
Pretty sure you will get at least that price.

She had no business running past that filly last time. I think she’s just that good. Hopefully I’ll see her complete the Oaks / Alabama sweep.

Dahoss 05-05-2022 12:01 PM

She had a perfect trip and rode the best part of the track the entire race. Why did she have no business running down a horse that is probably better off the pace?

She’ll never get a better trip than she had last time so I’m not sure how she’s going to get that again and deal with better horses.

Alabama Stakes 05-05-2022 12:31 PM

Other filly is very good and had a similar great trip. She will complete the exacta again

Conrad 05-05-2022 12:32 PM

I'm probably the worst handicapper in this discussion, but isn't there a decent chance of Yuugiri getting out and getting gone vs these gals?
She is quicker than Echo Zulu early, dare I say by a comfortable margin, and she can control this all the way around.
Yes, there are some serious late runners to hold off in Secret Oath, Kathleen O and Nest, but she's a Shackleford and loves a brawl.
Set a fast pace last out and dug in like her daddy to get the win, then galloped away after the wire like nothing happened.

She probably can't hold them all off, but maybe she can hang in there for a piece at a very nice price.

Basically, I'm against Echo Zulu here and I smell a rat with Yuugiri or maybe even Hidden Connection

Dahoss 05-05-2022 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1164039)
Other filly is very good and had a similar great trip. She will complete the exacta again

But why did she have no business running by Venti Valentine? Use your words. Pretend you don't just use phrases trying to sound smart.

King Glorious 05-06-2022 12:18 PM

My selection is Secret Oath. I think she’ll win it without any others having enough of an excuse that they could have otherwise won.

Dahoss 05-06-2022 05:03 PM

Lukas is the best. To be able to still get it done in his 80’s is just amazing.

Secret Oath was a very deserving winner and there was never any doubt.

casp0555 05-06-2022 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164136)
Lukas is the best. To be able to still get it done in his 80’s is just amazing.

Secret Oath was a very deserving winner and there was never any doubt.

:tro::tro:

King Glorious 05-06-2022 05:44 PM

Good race by the 1 horse.

Better?

Dahoss 05-06-2022 05:59 PM

Someone is starving for attention...

Dahoss 05-06-2022 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1164031)
She had no business running past that filly last time. I think she’s just that good. Hopefully I’ll see her complete the Oaks / Alabama sweep.

Good call.

Anything else I can confidently throw out tomorrow?

Alabama Stakes 05-06-2022 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164178)
Good call.

Anything else I can confidently throw out tomorrow?

Tough to know when Jose Ortiz will ride with his head up his ass or ride well. She was loaded until Jose found the trouble, losing all chance.

Mo rolls tomorrow

RolloTomasi 05-06-2022 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1164145)
Good race by the 1 horse.

Better?

The "outside the box" thinking that you like to champion actually worked to great effect for the people that bet on Secret Oath today. Running (and failing) in the Arkansas Derby rather than recording a facile win in the Fantasy is probably the main factor that kept her from being the favorite today (unless I'm way off on the relative speed figures). Would have been a huge gift if she got off at the 6-1 ML.

It will be interesting to see what they do with her from here. Lukas is at the tail end, so perhaps we will get some more radical campaigning. If so, I hope its the Preakness and not the Belmont (unless it ends up being both). Barring setbacks, the Travers would be the ideal race to tackle colts again as she probably ought to assert her dominance over the 3yo filly division in a couple of more races.

If he really wanted to go old school he could try the Alabama-Travers double off a week's rest ala Davona Dale.

RolloTomasi 05-06-2022 11:35 PM

Now is the time for NYRA's stakes coordinator to trot out the whole mystical "stallion making" capabilities of the Met Mile to persuade Bill Mott to run Olympiad in that race.

Broke on top, settled under restraint off a slow pace, and re-rallied after being collared at the top of the stretch (albeit by a likely short horse).

Toss in the pedigree and he seems tailored made for a one-turn mile...

King Glorious 05-06-2022 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1164185)
The "outside the box" thinking that you like to champion actually worked to great effect for the people that bet on Secret Oath today. Running (and failing) in the Arkansas Derby rather than recording a facile win in the Fantasy is probably the main factor that kept her from being the favorite today (unless I'm way off on the relative speed figures). Would have been a huge gift if she got off at the 6-1 ML.

It will be interesting to see what they do with her from here. Lukas is at the tail end, so perhaps we will get some more radical campaigning. If so, I hope its the Preakness and not the Belmont (unless it ends up being both). Barring setbacks, the Travers would be the ideal race to tackle colts again as she probably ought to assert her dominance over the 3yo filly division in a couple of more races.

If he really wanted to go old school he could try the Alabama-Travers double off a week's rest ala Davona Dale.

Ok

RolloTomasi 05-06-2022 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1164188)
Ok

Baffert is suspended for multiple medication violations, not for being "hard on his stock".

Better?

King Glorious 05-06-2022 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1164189)
Baffert is suspended for multiple medication violations, not for being "hard on his stock".

Better?

Ok.

RolloTomasi 05-07-2022 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164146)
Someone is starving for attention...

I'm sorry I doubted you...

blackthroatedwind 05-07-2022 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1164187)
Now is the time for NYRA's stakes coordinator to trot out the whole mystical "stallion making" capabilities of the Met Mile to persuade Bill Mott to run Olympiad in that race.

Broke on top, settled under restraint off a slow pace, and re-rallied after being collared at the top of the stretch (albeit by a likely short horse).

Toss in the pedigree and he seems tailored made for a one-turn mile...

Mott trains Speaker's Corner.....but I agree he should run both.

freddymo 05-07-2022 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1164187)
Now is the time for NYRA's stakes coordinator to trot out the whole mystical "stallion making" capabilities of the Met Mile to persuade Bill Mott to run Olympiad in that race.

Broke on top, settled under restraint off a slow pace, and re-rallied after being collared at the top of the stretch (albeit by a likely short horse).

Toss in the pedigree and he seems tailored made for a one-turn mile...

Not to mention he had to tote around clueless Junior. Is Flight Risk still in training or has he done enough?

RolloTomasi 05-07-2022 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1164208)
Not to mention he had to tote around clueless Junior. Is Flight Risk still in training or has he done enough?

He worked a slow 5 furlongs last weekend, which is probably a smart move (going slow rather than bullet working) as he can have no further slip ups to make the race.

I presume he will work again tomorrow.

freddymo 05-07-2022 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1164223)
He worked a slow 5 furlongs last weekend, which is probably a smart move (going slow rather than bullet working) as he can have no further slip ups to make the race.

I presume he will work again tomorrow.

He is like your cousin's hot girlfriend that may or may not come for thanksgiving. You want to see the short shirt and heels but if dumps her you know it's for the best.

King Glorious 05-10-2022 08:19 AM

I see that they are going to focus on sprints with Echo Zulu, feeling that 2-turn races are a bit beyond her scope. I kinda felt like she ran the second best race here.

blackthroatedwind 05-10-2022 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1164533)
I see that they are going to focus on sprints with Echo Zulu, feeling that 2-turn races are a bit beyond her scope. I kinda felt like she ran the second best race here.

Once again, connections doing the right thing by their horse disagrees with your assessment.

Then again, Taiba's connections agreed with you. I hope he runs again, I really do.

Conrad 05-10-2022 01:12 PM

Doesn't the Acorn make sense as the next spot for Echo Zulu?

Great chance to win another Gr1

blackthroatedwind 05-10-2022 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Conrad (Post 1164542)
Doesn't the Acorn make sense as the next spot for Echo Zulu?

Great chance to win another Gr1

Of course, which is why she's running there. Should be a great race.

King Glorious 05-10-2022 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1164534)
Once again, connections doing the right thing by their horse disagrees with your assessment.

Then again, Taiba's connections agreed with you. I hope he runs again, I really do.

Sir, you always give your opinions on what you think people should do. Everyone else does also. But when it comes to me, you have a need to point out that it's their horse and they can do what they want. Like I don't know this already. In this case, I didn't even offer up a possible race I'd like to see her in or suggest that her people were wrong. I actually agree with them that she'd be best in sprints. I only said I thought she ran the second best race here.

As for Taiba, I'm pretty sure that they did not run because I thought they should. They came to that conclusion all on their own and based on the odds he went off at, it appears that quite a bit of other people thought he should run too as they felt he had a huge chance to win.

Honestly sir, what have I done to you?

Dahoss 05-10-2022 05:02 PM

I request to be referred to as sir from now on also.

Thanks in advance

blackthroatedwind 05-10-2022 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1164548)
I request to be referred to as sir from now on also.

Thanks in advance

Always or when someone is playing the victim?


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