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oracle80 06-13-2006 08:17 AM

Carryover Heaven
 
Nothing beats having carryovers at both Hollywood and Belmont on a Wednesday. Extra couple of days to go over the pp's and numbers. Neither looks particularly easy.

Rootdog1 06-13-2006 10:56 AM

Hey Oracle. I agree, I looked at Hollywoods and it looks very difficult. Even more difficult now that Oneal's barn is in detention for 15 days do to a postitive bicarbinate testing.......no idea which way his are going to run now.

SCUDSBROTHER 06-13-2006 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rootdog1
Hey Oracle. I agree, I looked at Hollywoods and it looks very difficult. Even more difficult now that Oneal's barn is in detention for 15 days do to a postitive bicarbinate testing.......no idea which way his are going to run now.


Always wondered how he avoided getting caught.

jpops757 06-13-2006 03:53 PM

Five turfers on the belmont pk 6.

oracle80 06-13-2006 04:26 PM

Very hard, just spent some more time on both of them and while they aren't impossible, there are few standouts. I'm thinking of going very light early at Belmont and spreading out later. I like that rat Bronxdale in the first leg at Belmont. The rest are even worse than him. I dont like the Morrison horse off the long layoff and Meeses is being rushed back quickly.

boldruler 06-13-2006 04:28 PM

Make sure to include Rumspringa in your tickets. Might want to even single him.

oracle80 06-13-2006 04:29 PM

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Make sure to include Rumspringa in your tickets. Might want to even single him.

His last was impressive but hes not faster than these and stepping up. hes no single for me.

oracle80 06-13-2006 04:31 PM

As a matter of fact that race is the biggest nightmare on the card. They all could win. I have that race as an "all" right now. Its harder than any race on the card. Awesome Twist is a tossout on a dry track but since hes coupled with Royal moment who can win, geez. That race is giving me fits.

boldruler 06-13-2006 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
As a matter of fact that race is the biggest nightmare on the card. They all could win. I have that race as an "all" right now. Its harder than any race on the card. Awesome Twist is a tossout on a dry track but since hes coupled with Royal moment who can win, geez. That race is giving me fits.

They have Stormy Kiss going tomorrow too but not as part of the Pick 6. I would go against Tagg's non-Lael horse Dave. Ashkal Way is a tremendous horse.

oracle80 06-13-2006 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
They have Stormy Kiss going tomorrow too but not as part of the Pick 6. I would go against Tagg's non-Lael horse Dave. Ashkal Way is a tremendous horse.

Dave is just as fast as Ashkal and has to be used. His two races since being switched to Tagg are very nice. Third in the cycle, one month off after his last. I like Dave the best of anyone to be honest with you. I also like McLaughlins horse .

boldruler 06-13-2006 04:38 PM

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Dave is just as fast as Ashkal and has to be used. His two races since being switched to Tagg are very nice. Third in the cycle, one month off after his last. I like Dave the best of anyone to be honest with you. I also like McLaughlins horse .

That is why you win pik 6's and I stick with bets like the grand slam. I hope Tagg wins with that horse but still think Rumspringa is his winner tomorrow. Maybe he wins all three.

oracle80 06-13-2006 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
That is why you win pik 6's and I stick with bets like the grand slam. I hope Tagg wins with that horse but still think Rumspringa is his winner tomorrow. Maybe he wins all three.

Well I like dave better than Rumspringa. In Rum's last Jerkens had a horse whgo was favored named Bernie White Shoes who just never ran a step and who was supposed to at least press the pace a little. When Bernie didn't fire, Rumspringa was loose and gone. I realize that the third place finisher came back on won on saturday(Satsoof) but I don't like Rum being rushed back so quickly off a huge effort and could easily see him regressing.That race is so very hard.

boldruler 06-13-2006 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Well I like dave better than Rumspringa. In Rum's last Jerkens had a horse whgo was favored named Bernie White Shoes who just never ran a step and who was supposed to at least press the pace a little. When Bernie didn't fire, Rumspringa was loose and gone. I realize that the third place finisher came back on won on saturday(Satsoof) but I don't like Rum being rushed back so quickly off a huge effort and could easily see him regressing.That race is so very hard.

I thought Bernie White Shoes was going to be a star when he beat Barclays other gelding named Polished Arrow. Rumspringa is the real deal. BC Sprint in his future.

oracle80 06-13-2006 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
I thought Bernie White Shoes was going to be a star when he beat Barclays other gelding named Polished Arrow. Rumspringa is the real deal. BC Sprint in his future.

Was he a first time gelding last out Bold? I cant find my DRF from October 29th of last year to look it up.

boldruler 06-13-2006 04:52 PM

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Was he a first time gelding last out Bold? I cant find my DRF from October 29th of last year to look it up.

I think so. I know he was off for a long time and I think that he was gelded during his time away from the races.

oracle80 06-13-2006 04:54 PM

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I think so. I know he was off for a long time and I think that he was gelded during his time away from the races.

That would be quite good info to have. I remember his win teh day after the BC at delaware because I played his race. He shocked me by showing guts and not hanging. I keep my DRF's to look up such things and don't have that day's DRF. he wasn't announced last time but they dont have to announce it as long as the DRF and program have it correct. It would be quite good info to know. It may change my opinion on him. I still have him labled as the hanging slug he used to be and they may not be accurate if he has had the ultimate equipment change.

Downthestretch55 06-13-2006 04:57 PM

I just want to give my two cents worth.... and you guys are much better cappers than me. With that said,
In the 8th, Frank L puts in Red Crusader. You can say I'm crazy but I think he's an overlooked trainer. In the right spot, he's very dangerous.
In the 9th, Carlos M enters Mister Zee for Flying Zee. Looks likely to me.
DTS

boldruler 06-13-2006 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
That would be quite good info to have. I remember his win teh day after the BC at delaware because I played his race. He shocked me by showing guts and not hanging. I keep my DRF's to look up such things and don't have that day's DRF. he wasn't announced last time but they dont have to announce it as long as the DRF and program have it correct. It would be quite good info to know. It may change my opinion on him. I still have him labled as the hanging slug he used to be and they may not be accurate if he has had the ultimate equipment change.

I would check anything I say. I know he is a gelding but maybe he was last year too.

SCUDSBROTHER 06-13-2006 07:19 PM

ORACLE(or anybody)got an opinion about Nakatani riding Bear in the Woods(instead of Unfurl The Flag.)He must be pretty sure that Unfurl the Flag isn't gunna win(if it does ,he won't get that mount back.)Maybe he is just going with the REDDAM because he has a lot of good mounts to give him.

Rootdog1 06-13-2006 07:29 PM

Actually, I saw the Unfurl owner on the dmtc.com board say that he thinks he could need a race, but that he is training well and he loves hollywood. Also, this is strange race cause there isnt a lot of early speed.....Flag, Pure as Gold (he will be in the watch barn though), and Premium Saltine. I thought the same thing, weird for Cnak to jump but you may be on to something with the connections loyalty cause I dont give Bear a shot.

http://www.dmtc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1957

Scurlogue Champ 06-13-2006 08:13 PM

You want a damn carryover?

Australia has a Pick 4 carryover of almost $4,500.00 tonight.

Big money honey!!

I'm sure Oracle is playing this one

Rootdog1 06-13-2006 09:10 PM

Oracle / Scuds - you got anything for the wood carryover yet? Whos the single? Fast and Furious? Not sold on Eastern Sand here, as he was in for a tag last time and Espinoza stays with FnF. Wild Buddy will hang...to be honest, I kinda like Ace Blue to fill the exacta even though he ran like trash last time on the turf through crawling fractions. Horrible ride by Carr, take the lead dude and run away. Anyway, the MC races are just plain horrible.....only one I like is the 5th, using the Crava first timer Niftys Aura and Practical Cat (and hope he doesnt bounce like a ball). The 8th is a mess unless My First Big Kiss can repeat the last, but I like some prices with Sixes and Sevens, Speak to me Baby, and Dixies Ruler. Not to mention the feature race is a mess also........Ugh....

oracle80 06-14-2006 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rootdog1
Oracle / Scuds - you got anything for the wood carryover yet? Whos the single? Fast and Furious? Not sold on Eastern Sand here, as he was in for a tag last time and Espinoza stays with FnF. Wild Buddy will hang...to be honest, I kinda like Ace Blue to fill the exacta even though he ran like trash last time on the turf through crawling fractions. Horrible ride by Carr, take the lead dude and run away. Anyway, the MC races are just plain horrible.....only one I like is the 5th, using the Crava first timer Niftys Aura and Practical Cat (and hope he doesnt bounce like a ball). The 8th is a mess unless My First Big Kiss can repeat the last, but I like some prices with Sixes and Sevens, Speak to me Baby, and Dixies Ruler. Not to mention the feature race is a mess also........Ugh....

Well I'm leaning towards Premium Saltine in the 7th. He was very fast last year for Tom Amoss, and normally I wouldn't consider touching a horse who was making his first start away from Amoss, but Ted West is 31% with hores who make their first start in a switch to him. The only other horse in there is Unfurl The Flag who loves Hollywood but who has drawn the rail. I hate returners who need the lead who are breaking from the inside. It means they have to break and get clear and off the layoff any horse who breaks from the inside and doesnt get clear and gets pressed has to face sustained pressure and usually wilts. Premium Saltine figures to press Unfurl The Flag from the get go and may even outbreak him and make the lead. The race is full of returnees who are prepping this spot and deep closers. Its a two horse affair and I really cant see going two deep and wasting the money when I could just bite the bullet and single the race and go twice as deep in the other legs. Premium is working better and trained by a much better trainer in West than in Bernstein. Tough card there today.


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