Why This Sport is Dying
 

Need a little help here. I want to reach out to my ADW (twinspires) and ask for money back on all bets alive to the 1 horse in the last race. It was the only bet I hit all day and had multiple multi races wagers running through him, including the Juvy turf/Turf Double, a Pick 4 and 5). I understand those bets weren't paying a ton but there is some principle here.

I've never felt cheated before while playing the horses. Frustrate and pissed off, for sure. Today I feel cheated. Big time. Wondering if I'm out of line to feel this way or if it's time to start holding the industry accountable. Not sure how we do that though.

You won’t get them back. It’s completely archaic but it’s the rules. It cost me the pick 5 for 4 dollars…. Just an absolutely brutal beat.

One of the biggest pari-mutuel clusterforks I have ever seen. I am trying to think of something worse, but can't. And I have been following racing since 1984.

If you going to play horizontals, you probably should understand what the rules are.

STFU

Don't be a shithead. I understand the rules just fine. The rules are the problem and that's what we are talking about. Changing bad rules.

There is always one asshat in every thread. I agree, I’ve never seen a bigger cluster. It’s just more things that drive people away and to other forms of gambling. Only thing you can bet on that you can have the thing you bet to happen, happen….. and you still lose.

LOL.. the fix was in ;)

I swear to god, they milkshaked the computer😂😂

Cost me the Pick 6 and the Pick 5. I’m so fuc1<ing sick to my stomach Right now I’m not even turning it on tomorrow. Just when you think you’ve seen every conceivable way these literal retards can find a way to fucl< bettors they wait till the biggest weekend of the year to show off their latest

If the industry cares at all about the group of people that fund their sport they’ll figure out a way to get some money back into our pockets. That won’t happen tho and this is totally unacceptable. It’s be like flopping black jack and the dealer saying the Ace doesn’t count because there was a crease in it. I’m going to sit out tomorrow after today (probably not).

Worst gambling beat I have ever had in my life. I’m going to drink away my sadness.

What they did at DelMar was totally avoidable and almost criminal. The 1 horse was scratched because apparently someone associated with the track screwed up and as a result they screwed a lot of horse players costing them a lot of money. Sure everyone understands the rules for horizontal wagers but my God this is not 1970 we have programmers Ann’s computers and when a horse is scratched there are fairer more equitable ways to handle such situations. For example refunds for live tickets or possibly have backup horses selected if one is scratched after sequence had started and not give someone a horse they have don’t want. But no racing continues to shoot themselves in the foot….when I first started to attend racing my friend had a saying about days at the track like yesterday …. “ l see it is f&$# the fan day today at the track.”

Thank you

To add injury to insult, I put my bets for today through last night (kids, sports, chaos didn't think I'd have much time to get them in today) and wanted to make a few changes. Twinspires is telling me that I can't change my bets because the advanced wagering is closed even though the races have not been run. Maybe this is an error on my part for not knowing the rules, but this seems like a simple fix.

I can deal with bad bets, bad rides, bad trips, bad luck, but bad business (customer service) is something I really struggle with. No other industry tells its customer to F@#! off more than horse racing (maybe the airlines). I'm having a hard time rationalizing why I even bother.

I like how you cleverly avoided punctuation.:tro:

GFY

What they did at DelMar was totally avoidable and almost criminal. The 1 horse was scratched because apparently someone associated with the track screwed up and as a result they screwed a lot of horse players costing them a lot of money. Sure everyone understands the rules for horizontal wagers but my God this is not 1970 we have programmers Ann’s computers and when a horse is scratched there are fairer more equitable ways to handle such situations. For example refunds for live tickets or possibly have backup horses selected if one is scratched after sequence had started and not give someone a horse they have don’t want. But no racing continues to shoot themselves in the foot….when I first started to attend racing my friend had a saying about days at the track like yesterday …. “ l see it is f&$# the fan day today at the track.”

This is the Life At Ten debacle in reverse.
They let her run when she clearly looked unfit/unhealthy on the track & screwed those who bet on her (like me).

Yesterday they scratched a perfectly healthy horse & then reinstated him, and screwed those who bet on him (like me).

STFU
GFY
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:zz:

GO F.UCK YOURSELF

If you were actually a bettor you’d realize what a travesty this was for bettors. But you’re not.

Oh.my

Truth hurts, huh?

Which truth, the real one or you fantasy one?

Bettors were screwed out of literally millions because of a mistake and your response was that the bettor was at fault for not knowing the rules.

If what you took out of what happened Friday was that the bettor should know the rules you either don't bet or are an assh.ole. Or a mixture of both.

I've only.seen one other person online defending it and he's a non bettor and an assh.ole so....

Capital letters and punctuation....impressive. Did you type with both hands or are you still winging it Jeffery Toobin style?

You're not sure how to respond to me, are you?

It's pretty amusing to watch.

Nothing wrong with being a non bettor. Wear that badge proudly. :tro:

Not nearly as amusing you try to appear relevant.

Relevant to who exactly? I'm posting on a message board under the moniker "Dahoss."

I don't care who likes me or dislikes me. But it sure was important for you to appear smart with your initial post in this thread. Again, I've only seen one other person have your take. He's a non betting assh.ole.

Just like you.

Just to make a point, the millions were actually paid to bettors who were not part of the post time favorite debacle.

That said, the whole situation left the bettors (who along with owners fund the game) at the curb with the weekly trash pickup.

The question in my mind remains the same : "What is wrong about this situation at its core?" Two issues come to mind.

[1] Horizontal wagers that are moved to the post-time favorite are the root cause problem. Bettors deserve consolation payoffs for scratched horses that reward the equity earned through the successful selections in other races of the bet. Eliminate this strange post-time favorite substitution rule once and for all. Consolations are calculated for doubles and some Pick-3s in some jurisdictions, but not all.

[2] Establish uniform rules for handling horizontal wager scratches across all States. How many times have we seen questions about scratch handling that varies based on the track/state?

Some (including tote system providers) will say that calculating these consolation payoffs can be extremely difficult and might require significant algorithm updates.

Yes, all true. So just get to it - protecting the bettor depends on action being taken at the tote system algorithm level.

To your first point…yes and no. How about the bettors who had the 1 on their tickets?

I have no issue with your solutions. I just know that bettors were not afforded the same protection as the owner was in this case. And that’s a shame…on our biggest stage.

Imagine the few time a year gambler who correctly picked the first 4 races in the pick 5 who was alive to Modern Games? How do you explain this and how could you possibly convince said person to ever bet again?

How about if Stabile had a tip on a sure thing?

You are so freaking ignorant it is sad. You have no clue what you are talking about. Again. Jeffery, baby, where did I say I agreed with anything? The OP said he wanted to ask his ADW for a refund. That is what posted about - the rules prohibit that. But smart-ass STFU reply was my first clue you were an idiot. You calling me a non-bettor sealed the deal. That coming from a cry baby who in another thread whined about Rosario costing him a $4 double. Dude, I tip the track bartender more than that!:D

And Jeffery, you even misspelled ash.hole. Maybe you should sneak back to school to try again. With Covid face masks and your personality, you could probably pass for a 5th grader.

Dude, have a heart. You will not find a more informed player than Dahoss. The guy has been betting and following racing closely for decades. His opinion is valued and respected by key opinion leaders in racing. To say he has earned his keep is the understatement of the year and worthy of an Idiacy Eclipse. He understands most, if not all, of the intricacies of horse racing. So let it go. You are out of bounds.

Who's Jeffery?

I'm so confused.

You seem angry.

Good

I was trying to figure it out myself. I guess Toobin as he called me that earlier in the thread.

You spelled Jeffrey wrong.

Part of my point:-)