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hoovesupsideyourhead 11-20-2006 08:49 AM

thomlinson..is he the best
 
is this guy the mvp of the nfl or what..he can do it all..4tds again..wow..

timmgirvan 11-20-2006 09:10 AM

Yes...he is the real deal!

IrishofNDMan 11-20-2006 09:11 AM

yes, he is the best, and he is on my first place fantasy football team!!!

LT might be the best of ALL time when it's all said and done!

oracle80 11-20-2006 09:36 AM

If the guy played in a true media market(Chi, NY, Dallas, etc) he'd be getting the due hes deserved.
Guy's unreal.
And how about Rivers? Of teh 4 guys drafted that year(Ben, Manning, Losman and Rivers) there is no doubt in my mind who wins more rings and accompishes more before they are all done.
Sidearm, schmidearm, the guy is poised and doesn't make dumb plays. He delivers well timed, accurate, and zipy throws. He hits backs, tight ends, and receivers. Guy is the goods and the biggest mistake the Giants ever made was not just keeping him instead of trading away future for a guy who has Jeff George written all over him.

hoovesupsideyourhead 11-20-2006 09:36 AM

timmy g ,id..hes got to be the mvp..if doesent get it ill be shocked...and humble also not unlike the great walter payton...r.i.p..

Ruffian2 11-20-2006 03:25 PM

Both LT and Rivers had awesome games. I'm just pissed because it was against my boys. Grrr...

Crown@club 11-20-2006 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turdbucket67
yes hes great.... better then barry sanders??? no way in hell!!!!!!! barry sanders was by far the greatest football player ever... and he did those things with the worst offensive line in the nfl

I'm sorry, but SD's sure wasn't much better until now with a rookie powerhouse.

LT is the best. (Wait a minute! I can't leave Sir Walter Payton out as the best - I'll give him a tie - LOL!)

(REMIND YOU THIS WAS WRITTEN after the 2003 season)

His 2,429 total yards in 2003 was the second-most in NFL history, only 59 yards shy of Marshall Faulk’s record (one, by the way, which is shattered if LT has a semblance of a supporting cast).
LT become the first player to ever rush for 1000+ yards and catch 100 or more passes in 2003.
Last year he became just the 5th player in NFL history to score 10 or more TDs in each of his first three seasons. The other four you might have heard of – Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, and Earl Campbell.
Tomlinson already has four 200+ yard rushing performances in his career, tied for second-most in NFL history with Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, and Barry Sanders. Two more and he catches O.J. Simpson for the all-time lead.
In just three seasons, he is already the Chargers’ all-time leader with seventeen 100-yard games.
He had three 70-yard plays in 2003.

Need your favorite NFL player to offer more than impressive exploits on the field? Pay attention.


Since 2002, Tomlinson has sponsored 21 kids from San Diego youth organizations and non-profits as part of his "L.T.’s 21 Club," giving them the opportunity to attend a Chargers home game. Each child who participates in L.T.’s 21 Club has field-side seats in the Chargers Community Corner, receives a t-shirt, and is given a coupon for a free hotdog and beverage during the game. Immediately after the game, Tomlinson treats these kids to dinner and distributes goodie bags filled with school supplies, books, and games.
In November 2003, Tomlinson hosted his "Second Annual Giving Thanks with L.T. & Friends Holiday Program," through which he distributed 1,000 Thanksgiving dinners to needy families from San Diego County. In addition, 21 kids were selected to enjoy a mini-shopping spree at Wal-Mart.
In May 2003, Tomlinson launched his "L.T. School is Cool Scholarship Fund" that awarded $1,000.00 scholarships toward their college education to ten graduating seniors from his alma mater, University High School in Waco, Texas. Students were selected based on academic excellence, community involvement, volunteerism, and letters of recommendation.
In June 2003, Tomlinson hosted his 2nd Annual Football Camp, "Camp L.T." at University High School. Over the past two years, more than 600 kids have participated in "Camp L.T."
In December 2003, Tomlinson hosted his "L.T.’s Touching Lives Holiday Program" distributing over 1,000 toys and videos to kids at Children’s Hospital and The Salvation Army.
This past February, Tomlinson hosted "The 2nd Annual LaDainian Tomlinson Celebrity Weekend." All proceeds raised from the Celebrity Golf Tournament benefited three worthy causes. The two-day event themed "Give Back to Impact" helped to improve the lives of children and families in the San Diego community.
In July of this year, Tomlinson will sponsor a family’s trip to Hawaii. The family will be selected from Make-A-Wish Foundation or Children’s Hospital Cancer Unit. Tomlinson will also provide the family with $1,500 spending money.

.....and thats just getting started

somerfrost 11-20-2006 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crown@club
I'm sorry, but SD's sure wasn't much better until now with a rookie powerhouse.

LT is the best. (Wait a minute! I can't leave Sir Walter Payton out as the best - I'll give him a tie - LOL!)

(REMIND YOU THIS WAS WRITTEN after the 2003 season)

His 2,429 total yards in 2003 was the second-most in NFL history, only 59 yards shy of Marshall Faulk’s record (one, by the way, which is shattered if LT has a semblance of a supporting cast).
LT become the first player to ever rush for 1000+ yards and catch 100 or more passes in 2003.
Last year he became just the 5th player in NFL history to score 10 or more TDs in each of his first three seasons. The other four you might have heard of – Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, and Earl Campbell.
Tomlinson already has four 200+ yard rushing performances in his career, tied for second-most in NFL history with Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, and Barry Sanders. Two more and he catches O.J. Simpson for the all-time lead.
In just three seasons, he is already the Chargers’ all-time leader with seventeen 100-yard games.
He had three 70-yard plays in 2003.

Need your favorite NFL player to offer more than impressive exploits on the field? Pay attention.


Since 2002, Tomlinson has sponsored 21 kids from San Diego youth organizations and non-profits as part of his "L.T.’s 21 Club," giving them the opportunity to attend a Chargers home game. Each child who participates in L.T.’s 21 Club has field-side seats in the Chargers Community Corner, receives a t-shirt, and is given a coupon for a free hotdog and beverage during the game. Immediately after the game, Tomlinson treats these kids to dinner and distributes goodie bags filled with school supplies, books, and games.
In November 2003, Tomlinson hosted his "Second Annual Giving Thanks with L.T. & Friends Holiday Program," through which he distributed 1,000 Thanksgiving dinners to needy families from San Diego County. In addition, 21 kids were selected to enjoy a mini-shopping spree at Wal-Mart.
In May 2003, Tomlinson launched his "L.T. School is Cool Scholarship Fund" that awarded $1,000.00 scholarships toward their college education to ten graduating seniors from his alma mater, University High School in Waco, Texas. Students were selected based on academic excellence, community involvement, volunteerism, and letters of recommendation.
In June 2003, Tomlinson hosted his 2nd Annual Football Camp, "Camp L.T." at University High School. Over the past two years, more than 600 kids have participated in "Camp L.T."
In December 2003, Tomlinson hosted his "L.T.’s Touching Lives Holiday Program" distributing over 1,000 toys and videos to kids at Children’s Hospital and The Salvation Army.
This past February, Tomlinson hosted "The 2nd Annual LaDainian Tomlinson Celebrity Weekend." All proceeds raised from the Celebrity Golf Tournament benefited three worthy causes. The two-day event themed "Give Back to Impact" helped to improve the lives of children and families in the San Diego community.
In July of this year, Tomlinson will sponsor a family’s trip to Hawaii. The family will be selected from Make-A-Wish Foundation or Children’s Hospital Cancer Unit. Tomlinson will also provide the family with $1,500 spending money.

.....and thats just getting started

When all is said and done, he could be the best...but right now, nobody beats Jim Brown! I was honored to see the guy play and he was amazing! I find it interesting that LT sought out Brown when in Cleveland and Brown speaks very highly of him...as a man as well as a player! He can do it all (run, catch, even pass) so I would not be surprised if he ends up number one but not quite yet!

SniperSB23 11-20-2006 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turdbucket67
yes hes great.... better then barry sanders??? no way in hell!!!!!!! barry sanders was by far the greatest football player ever... and he did those things with the worst offensive line in the nfl

That is the biggest myth in the history of football. In every year but Sanders first and last the Lions had at least one offensive lineman make the Pro Bowl and even had two make it one year. In Tomlinson's entire career not a single SD offensive lineman has made the Pro Bowl.

SniperSB23 11-20-2006 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turdbucket67
in barry sander entire career he also had around 5different starting qb's with a whompin zero pro-bowls combined. while LT has already had drew brees and now philip rivers.... barry had to run with 8 in the box everytime, LT doesn't.... and lets not forget, barry sanders did retire in his prime

Those are more fair arguments. Sanders line always gets an unfair rep though for some reason. It was actually a good line at best and an average one at worst.

timmgirvan 11-20-2006 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crown@club
I'm sorry, but SD's sure wasn't much better until now with a rookie powerhouse.

LT is the best. (Wait a minute! I can't leave Sir Walter Payton out as the best - I'll give him a tie - LOL!)

(REMIND YOU THIS WAS WRITTEN after the 2003 season)

His 2,429 total yards in 2003 was the second-most in NFL history, only 59 yards shy of Marshall Faulk’s record (one, by the way, which is shattered if LT has a semblance of a supporting cast).
LT become the first player to ever rush for 1000+ yards and catch 100 or more passes in 2003.
Last year he became just the 5th player in NFL history to score 10 or more TDs in each of his first three seasons. The other four you might have heard of – Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, and Earl Campbell.
Tomlinson already has four 200+ yard rushing performances in his career, tied for second-most in NFL history with Jim Brown, Earl Campbell, and Barry Sanders. Two more and he catches O.J. Simpson for the all-time lead.
In just three seasons, he is already the Chargers’ all-time leader with seventeen 100-yard games.
He had three 70-yard plays in 2003.

Need your favorite NFL player to offer more than impressive exploits on the field? Pay attention.


Since 2002, Tomlinson has sponsored 21 kids from San Diego youth organizations and non-profits as part of his "L.T.’s 21 Club," giving them the opportunity to attend a Chargers home game. Each child who participates in L.T.’s 21 Club has field-side seats in the Chargers Community Corner, receives a t-shirt, and is given a coupon for a free hotdog and beverage during the game. Immediately after the game, Tomlinson treats these kids to dinner and distributes goodie bags filled with school supplies, books, and games.
In November 2003, Tomlinson hosted his "Second Annual Giving Thanks with L.T. & Friends Holiday Program," through which he distributed 1,000 Thanksgiving dinners to needy families from San Diego County. In addition, 21 kids were selected to enjoy a mini-shopping spree at Wal-Mart.
In May 2003, Tomlinson launched his "L.T. School is Cool Scholarship Fund" that awarded $1,000.00 scholarships toward their college education to ten graduating seniors from his alma mater, University High School in Waco, Texas. Students were selected based on academic excellence, community involvement, volunteerism, and letters of recommendation.
In June 2003, Tomlinson hosted his 2nd Annual Football Camp, "Camp L.T." at University High School. Over the past two years, more than 600 kids have participated in "Camp L.T."
In December 2003, Tomlinson hosted his "L.T.’s Touching Lives Holiday Program" distributing over 1,000 toys and videos to kids at Children’s Hospital and The Salvation Army.
This past February, Tomlinson hosted "The 2nd Annual LaDainian Tomlinson Celebrity Weekend." All proceeds raised from the Celebrity Golf Tournament benefited three worthy causes. The two-day event themed "Give Back to Impact" helped to improve the lives of children and families in the San Diego community.
In July of this year, Tomlinson will sponsor a family’s trip to Hawaii. The family will be selected from Make-A-Wish Foundation or Children’s Hospital Cancer Unit. Tomlinson will also provide the family with $1,500 spending money.

.....and thats just getting started

Crown and Club: thanks for the great story on LT. Fine young man

pgardn 11-20-2006 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turdbucket67
yes hes great.... better then barry sanders??? no way in hell!!!!!!! barry sanders was by far the greatest football player ever... and he did those things with the worst offensive line in the nfl

the bucket and pgardn on exactly the same wavelength. I have never seen a player like Barry.

LT is the next closest thing I have seen to Barry. Not the same type of game breaking runner as Barry, but more power near the goal line. But what a fine man. Texas did not recruit him so he goes to TCU and stuffs it down our throats, too small, not fast enough in the 40, I love it when real football players make recruiters look like fools.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 11-21-2006 01:04 AM

best of all time barry. this guy had ZERO of a O line.#2 would be walter(rip), and most overrated and most undeserving emmit smith, i coulda ran behind the line he had infronta him and he stuck around way too long just to break a record

SniperSB23 11-21-2006 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
best of all time barry. this guy had ZERO of a O line.#2 would be walter(rip), and most overrated and most undeserving emmit smith, i coulda ran behind the line he had infronta him and he stuck around way too long just to break a record

Here we go with the ZERO of an O line again. Maybe if everyone says it enough it will become true.

SniperSB23 11-21-2006 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turdbucket67
i understand what your saying about a pro bowler on the offensive line, but does one pro bowler on the offensive line suddenly makes a good unit??? by the way, the most important blocker for a running back would be the fullback... and LT's fullback is by far the best in the business.. lorenzo neal is an absolute monster while openning up those gigantic holes for LT... Barry sander fullback was who??

You don't need a fullback if you utlitize a spread formation. The lack of fullback is offset because they have to put extra dbacks in the game and spread them wide to cover the receivers.

Crown@club 11-21-2006 10:03 AM

So Herman Moore and Brett Perriman must had sucked to get these 7 to 8 players out of the box. Who has SD had to spread the ball out? Oh a TE name Gates WOW!

Crown@club 11-21-2006 10:21 AM

Oh I forgot there was A David Boston for a year w/o Gates to take attention away.

(More of the interview of 2004)

Despite the fact that you’ve put up big numbers, the plain truth is that your supporting cast in San Diego has been, shall I say, less than spectacular. This year, you might have a rookie QB starting and your WRs corps lost David Boston. Are you concerned that the supporting cast might limit your production?


LT: Well, I am concerned about the supporting cast, but I’m not concerned about it limiting my production. I think we’ll have a good enough supporting cast where we can still get things done. I think it’s going to definitely hurt us not having Boston because he did draw some attention, and that made it a little easier on me. But I think you still have to go out and perform and I think a lot of guys in the NFL in the past have not had a lot of support. You think about Barry Sanders; a lot of Walter’s (Peyton) years he didn’t have a lot of support. So I think it depends on the player and if he can handle it.


So, in a year or two, let’s assume (QB Phillip) Rivers is starting, your receiving corps is improved, and your line is looking better, could we possibly see even better things from you?


LT: I don’t think there’s any doubt. If our team gets better and some of the attention gets drawn away from me, it will make me even better and make my job a lot easier. So I think, definitely, that’s a possibility.

Personally, I don’t see any flaws in your game. You’re a terrific inside-outside runner, an excellent receiver, and a very effective goal line back. But you’re been in the league only three years. Are there any areas you think you can improve upon?


LT: Absolutely. I always want to improve on just being smarter and working on recognition as far as the defense is concerned. That’s a thing that’s overlooked. The faster you’re able to recognize the defense, the better off and the better runner you’ll be. Being able to determine what’s going to happen on the other side of the ball will make you that much better, so I think I can get a lot better in that area, and also in being able to dominate as a blocker and make the guys I’m blocking not want to come back.

When you entered the league, did you ever envision yourself catching as many passes as you have?


LT: Actually, I didn’t. I never thought about catching all these passes. This was something Drew (Brees) and I talked about a couple of times I remember my second year Drew was like ‘I’m going to get you 100 passes,’ and I was like ‘yeah, alright, cool.’ But I really didn’t think about it and I ended up with like 79. And then this past year, Drew was like, ‘this year, I guarantee you get 100’ and I was like, ‘Okay.’ But you know at the same time I’m just thinking it’s just talk, but sure enough I came up with 100. A lot of that had to do with the production of our receivers, you know. We had guys in and out of the lineup, people were hurt, you know, so Drew never really had a guy he could depend on because of the injuries, so I guess I was kind of that guy who was there every game that he could depend on.

Favorite all-time NFL player?
LT: Wow. Walter Peyton.

alysheba4 11-21-2006 11:30 AM

my top 5 that i hyave seen over my 35 years of watching football
1. eric dikerson...... still the rookie rushing record and best single season
the guy was a freak.
2. barry sanders
3. earl campbell
4. walter payton
5. bo jackson

somerfrost 11-21-2006 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alysheba4
my top 5 that i hyave seen over my 35 years of watching football
1. eric dikerson...... still the rookie rushing record and best single season
the guy was a freak.
2. barry sanders
3. earl campbell
4. walter payton
5. bo jackson


Well, I'd go:
1) Jim Brown
2) Walter Payton
3) Barry Sanders
4) O J Simpson
5) Eric Dickerson
Bo Jackson may have been as good as any but alas his career was over before he could prove it...same with Gail Sayers.


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