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eurobounce 11-16-2006 01:05 PM

If you could bring back one horse.....
 
If you could bring back one horse within the past 20 years (1986) and entered that horse into a Breeders Cup race, who would that horse be, what race and why?

For me the horse would have to be Arazi, the race would be the Male Juve, and the reason being is because he put on the most impressive Juve race ever and to match that with the 2nd most impressive would be awesome. Plus, Arazi and Street Sense did their performances over the same track.

brianwspencer 11-16-2006 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
If you could bring back one horse within the past 20 years (1986) and entered that horse into a Breeders Cup race, who would that horse be, what race and why?

For me the horse would have to be Azeri, the race would be the Male Juve, and the reason being is because he put on the most impressive Juve race ever and to match that with the 2nd most impressive would be awesome. Plus, Azeri and Street Sense did their performances over the same track.

You might mean Arazi?

somerfrost 11-16-2006 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
If you could bring back one horse within the past 20 years (1986) and entered that horse into a Breeders Cup race, who would that horse be, what race and why?

For me the horse would have to be Azeri, the race would be the Male Juve, and the reason being is because he put on the most impressive Juve race ever and to match that with the 2nd most impressive would be awesome. Plus, Azeri and Street Sense did their performances over the same track.

Tiznow for his third BCC win! When you're talking BC performances, the conversation has to start with Tiznow!

eurobounce 11-16-2006 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
You might mean Arazi?

Yes Arazi - thanks

eurobounce 11-16-2006 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Tiznow for his third BCC win! When you're talking BC performances, the conversation has to start with Tiznow!

That would be a good race to see as well.

Bold Reasoning 11-16-2006 01:13 PM

The one race, a Breeders' Cup race, would be my problem. I want to see Vindication again. It was my hope that he would one day run in the Classic, but he never had the chance to even run as a three-year-old. He reminded me so much of his sire Seattle Slew, my all-time favorite.

Revolution 11-16-2006 01:18 PM

Seattle Slew. True Greatness. Speed, Stamina, Durability. Greatness.

eurobounce 11-16-2006 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolution
Seattle Slew. True Greatness. Speed, Stamina, Durability. Greatness.

He wasnt within the past 20 years.

Revolution 11-16-2006 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
He wasnt within the past 20 years.

Your heading doesn't say 20 years and I was too lazy to read your post (Mr Azeri)

TitanSooner 11-16-2006 01:21 PM

Volponi, of course

SentToStud 11-16-2006 01:22 PM

Ouija Board in the Turf vs the boys.

kentuckyrosesinmay 11-16-2006 01:24 PM

Top 10

Afleet Alex.

Spectacular Bid.

Barbaro. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have won the BCC at CD this year.

And Bernardini when he was on his A game.

Lost in the Fog this year.

Sunday Silence so he could do it all over again.

Damascus.

Man O' War.

Native Dancer.

Tiznow so he could do it all over again.

Sorry, I didn't see the 20 years thing until now.

somerfrost 11-16-2006 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Top 10

Afleet Alex.

Spectacular Bid.

Barbaro. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have won the BCC at CD this year.

And Bernardini when he was on his A game.

Lost in the Fog this year.

Sunday Silence so he could do it all over again.

Damascus.

Man O' War.

Native Dancer.

Tiznow so he could do it all over again.

Sorry, I didn't see the 20 years thing until now.

Well, if you don't set limits...Secretariat in the BCC (might also run him in the BCT to warm up), Kincsem is the BCT, and Ribot in the BCT.

Cajungator26 11-16-2006 01:39 PM

I'd bring back Go for Wand... :(

blackthroatedwind 11-16-2006 01:50 PM

I would bring back Afleet, and give him a competent rider, and he would win the BC Sprint like he was supposed to ( and the Met Mile earlier that year ).

Buffymommy 11-16-2006 02:03 PM

Hmmmm.... This is a tough one to answer. I would say Victory Gallop to run in the Classic in his four year old campaign. I soooooo wanted to see that race. I just watched his race with Berahns (However you spell that name). What an awesome kick this horse had. I don't know of another horse with that kind of kick. :)


Oh and MAYBE RH10 to run in the Classic. Just to prove to the doubters that he could run outside of Cali and beat St. Liam. :p :p

kentuckyrosesinmay 11-16-2006 02:23 PM

Pine Island :(

kgar311 11-16-2006 02:31 PM

Archanges (if thats how you spell it) so I could put a couple hundred to win on him this time

eajinabi 11-16-2006 04:42 PM

Candy Ride

Only/Last start in USA and he flew by Megdalia D'Oro in the PC at Del Mar.

KirisClown 11-16-2006 04:54 PM

Inside Information, to see her run in the 95 Classic rather then the Distaff...

The Bid 11-16-2006 04:57 PM

Lost in the fog

sumitas 11-16-2006 05:29 PM

Horses can be cloned and are being cloned. No thoroughbreds yet.

31lengths 11-16-2006 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
He wasnt within the past 20 years.

(past 20 years alive)
Secretariat .

(past 20 years racing).
A healthy Lost in the Fog

Charismatic1 11-16-2006 06:01 PM

1. Tiznow - He was supposed to come back for a 5yo campaign before one of the owners renigged. Needless to say, I don't think he would have been 7-1 or 9-1 in the '02 Classic, and I don't think he would've been splitting hairs on the wire, either. 3-time winner - easy.
2. Galileo - Still bitter he couldn't be allowed to run on as a 4yo after his Classic disappointment. Why wasn't High Chap retired after his BC WIN? Makes no sense, and I think Galileo was as good if not the best middle-distance MALE horse from Europe since Lammtarra. Perhaps tied with Dalakhani in my eyes. (I'm gettin ripped for this)
3. Smarty Jones - As a 4-year-old. He was constantly improving and I think he would have been an absolute beast at 4. He was special at 3 as it was. I do respect Saint Liam a lot, though.
4. Charismatic - Somer and I share the same thoughts on this boy. He was just coming into his own when he broke down. I saw him turning into a great. I still believe it and I thank this guy for getting me hooked on the sport.
5. Vindication - I truly believe this horse was also an absolute freak.
6. Holy Bull - Before I became a fan, but it sucks he never ran on the Holiday.
7. Rock of Gibralter - He certainly would've made amends for his defeat with a second chance. As an english race caller said, "this is a machine."
8. Barbaro - I loved Invasor in the Classic from a handicapping perspective, but if Barbaro was set to go, I would've been head and heart in his camp.
9. Kitten's Joy - Mulligan please...and no bone chips.
10. Afleet Alex - I don't think he would've been able to handle Smarty and Liam as a 3yo, but as a 4yo he might have been near magical. I just wish they would've given him the proper time instead of trying to rush back for the Classic.

I love Ouija Board and would love to have seen her run against the boys here in the States, but she's run against the boys so much elsewhere that she doesn't really leave any question marks. Truly great.

Historically, Spectacular Bid and Phar Lap jump out at me.

Lastly, I would have loved to have seen the great Silent Witness run here in the States in his prime - Mile or Sprint. No horse has dropped my jaw quite like he did. I hope he still has something left.

-Ryan

timmgirvan 11-16-2006 06:29 PM

Ruffian!!!

Danzig 11-16-2006 06:33 PM

would like to see personal ensign have another go 'round. john henry as well.

timmgirvan 11-16-2006 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
would like to see personal ensign have another go 'round. john henry as well.

Danzig: loved John Henry....defied the odds and kept winning and being competitive til 9?

oracle80 11-16-2006 06:49 PM

A healthy Barbaro this past summer and fall, the only fist pumping Javier woulda been doing on Travers and Gold Cup Day in that case woulda been with his wee-wee.

timmgirvan 11-16-2006 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
A healthy Barbaro this past summer and fall, the only fist pumping Javier woulda been doing on Travers and Gold Cup Day in that case woulda been with his wee-wee.

Bad word picture there!

oracle80 11-16-2006 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Bad word picture there!

Lets get it out in the open, I'm tired of dancing around it. Bernadini is a deserving champ, and any talk of him not getting the Eclipse is garbage, even Matz said so.
But people forget developmental growth, and how it translates to performance. Barbaro was lightly raced heading into the Derby, and responded with a huge win in which he annilhated 19 other horses. Anyone who thinks with his pedigree especially that he wasn't gonna just get better is high.
Lets have it out, who thinks Bern is champ is Barb doesn't go down?
I say no way. I say Barbaro was more talented.

Clip-Clop 11-16-2006 06:57 PM

With and Without Limits
 
Within Limits I would love to see Personal Ensign again, without limits has to be Ruffian, no horse was ever better.:D

Rileyoriley 11-16-2006 07:55 PM

I would have liked to see Sunday Silence and Easy Goer go at it again in the 1990 Classic.

Hwjb 11-16-2006 08:02 PM

Desert Orchid in the Breeders' Cup Steeplechase.


Oh, and Hawk Wing in the Mile.

Hwjb 11-16-2006 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
If you could bring back one horse within the past 20 years (1986) and entered that horse into a Breeders Cup race, who would that horse be, what race and why?

For me the horse would have to be Arazi, the race would be the Male Juve, and the reason being is because he put on the most impressive Juve race ever and to match that with the 2nd most impressive would be awesome. Plus, Arazi and Street Sense did their performances over the same track.


1/14 Arazi
12/1 Street Sense

Hickory Hill Hoff 11-16-2006 08:20 PM

Point Given in 2001 his three year old year.

Cajungator26 11-16-2006 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
Ruffian!!!

I agree on Ruffian. If there wasn't a 20 year time limit, I would have gone with her too. :)

repent 11-17-2006 01:55 AM

BCJF-Melhor Ainda on dirt just once as a 2YO. her Miss Grillo at 2 was the best 2YO run of the year.
BCJ-Holy Bull in 1993. west coast or not, Brocco is not going to beat Holy Bull.
BCFMT-Alexandrova-would have won this year.
BCS-Left Bank-maybe 6f was not his best distance, but he was so damn fast he is going to beat just about any horse at that distance anyway.
BCM-Rock of Gibraltar-terrible ride and bad racing luck with Landseer cost him the race in 2002.
BCD-Oonagh Maccool-when right, I really dont believe there is any better.
BCT-lots to choose from that never even came over.
I will just say that I wanted to see Deep Impact run in the states and leave it at that.
BCC-Falbrav-wanted to see him try dirt in 2003.
there was not a better 8/10f horse on turf and there was so much to gain from trying dirt there.
the other of course is Dubai Millennium.
dont see how he loses that race no matter who is in there.



Repent

dellinger63 11-17-2006 02:54 AM

Giants Causeway

alysheba4 11-17-2006 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Tiznow for his third BCC win! When you're talking BC performances, the conversation has to start with Tiznow!

.....alysheba as a 4 year old punches tiznow in the neck:)


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