LOL!!! House Democrats choose Hoyer
 

This is ****ing hysterical!!! I hope the Dems enjoy their two years in control(which is all they are gonna get)!! They say they are gonna get the country in order and they can't even get themselves in order.
Pelosi's guy Murtha gets beat by Hoyer and Dems are infighting already.
They just don't ever change, bunch of clowns.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061116/...ngress_leaders

Looks like they are really off to a good start and ready to get things going, lol.
I personally thought they should have gone with the Abscam guy Murtha who said "he wasn't interested at THIS TIME" when they offered him 50 grand.
Sounds like a real standup guy and definitely who you want at number two!!

I forgot how much fun it is when the Dems are in power and scrutinized as much as members in the party with power are.
Gotta love a party whose majority leader is somehere to the left of Marx, who supports a guy who avoids and ABSCAM prosecution by millimeters due to uttering "not at this time" rather than saying maybe later for more cash as the number two guy, and whose members actually vote for the moderate who stands for most of the things they say they don't.

you will see

Jerry...the problem is that for the next two years, Congress can't really accomplish much...Bush can and will veto anything he wishes. The Dems must keep control in the next election AND take the White House to enact change! Will the public be patient or will they look back on the upcoming two years and blame Congress for "big talk and no action"...it's hard to say! Elect the right person in 08 and change can occur...otherwise...more same old same old!

"O",
The best I can figure is that the Dems sure know how to hang their dirty underwear in the front yard.
Maybe the britches and bras will dry out if the sun shines.
We'll have to see which way the wind blows.
DTS

thats where Al Gore will come into play, and hopefully when the Kerry people have deemed its time to get his face back in the running

Same old story DTS...we get what we deserve...we elect these folks, see that they are dirty and reelect them! When was the last time we elected a man to the Presidency that we could be proud of? I'd say Truman....

“I can’t believe they are self-destructing before they even get started,” said Representative Ray LaHood, Republican of Illinois. “Everyone on our side is giddy.”



What a wonderful thing our two political parties. The Democrats that have no idea what they want to do, and a hateful Republican party that wants to see failure. What a wonderful outlook from both sides. Both sides should feel ashamed.

Giddy...

Yes I get giddy when our nation's politicians cant get anything done. Makes me happy as hell. Will someone from Illinois please get rid of this Republican clown.

Thats pretty funny Jerry! LOL!!
Kerry sunk any small chance he had with his "witty" comments about not studying and ending up in the military.
No dem can win the presidency without some appeal to the moderates in the red states.
Gore's a dinosaur.
Hilary ain't electable and you know it.
Its gonna be Edwards I'd think. Hes been pretty smart, pretty smart indeed.
Hes done something simple but brilliant, hes stayed out of the press and avoided making commentary on anything. The wind blows every which way in times of turmoil and terrorism like we have now. A comment that was fitting at the time of uttering it can turn out to be not so fitting one terrorist attack later.
Hes already got recognition from his VP run. Hes avoided making comments that and accusations that can be drudged up against him and he doesn't have a long liberal voting record.
The problem is that it looks as if the Dems will infight once again in the fight for the nomination, and it always hurts them.
Republicans really only have two candidates, McCain and Giualani and I think if Rudy truly wants it he will get it, and be elected president.
As a former federal prosecutor he has credentials as knowing the letter of the law and going after crime. As mayor he did a stunning job cleaning up NYC, and particularly going after crime. His actions during 911 may indeed have been little more than a lot of words, but he can truly say he will go after terrorism and knows of its effects more than anyone.
His true value is that he could be the first Republican since Reagen to carry Ny and its vast number of electoral votes. Upstate NY is HEAVILY republican but the City has always carried the Dems. Having been one of the most popular NYC mayors since LaGuardia, he could carry NYC and upstate would be a landslide.
Also have to factor in that Italian Americans would support him in masses. He has appeal as a "minority" of sorts attempting to become the countries first Italian American President. He also doesn't have a congressional voting record to be used against him.
I'm not sure yet that he really wants to be President, but if he does, I think its going to President Giulani in 2008.

Are you truly ****ing serious? You can't possibly be.
The Dems have been rooting against the war hoping to get back to pwer with its failure. Nothing like rooting for deaths of American soldiers to make me wanna sing "America the Beautiful"
The repub is right. For all the nonsense and propaganda the Dems just spread, the fact that the first thing they attempt to do in house is embarrasing to them shows they have no united party ideals or structure makes some folks realize that maybe the "vote on the war" should have been examined against exactly what you were voting for, rather than just against. It also showed that they haven't learned a ****ing thing in 12 years on the sidelines, and with 6 since having any control of the agenda whatsoever.

Somerfrost,
Ya had me scratchin' my head on that one...
I'd say Lincoln (Repub). He sure had his fair share of critics though.
They don't make em like they used to.
DTS

btw...Watch Edwards. He might be the Dems best hope. The other two will fade. Hillary-too much baggage, Obama-too inexperienced (maybe vp).

So...if you walk down the street and see a man raping a woman you advocate grabbing the nearest woman and doing the same? That is a morally bankrupt argument...and the basis for the mess we are in today! As long as those who disagree with us suffer, we don't care if we are being flushed down the toilet! We are a country of clowns who enjoy seeing others crash and burn but have no idea how to behave in a constructive manner! This has been going on forever but beginning with Clinton and the witch hunt to try and impeach him, it has reached tragic levels!

Somerfrost,
I'm not going to comment on what you stated other than to say that there's been plenty of "mean spiritness".
Remember who the guy was that said, "A vote for the Democrats is a vote for the terrorists"? Clue: think great "statesman".
Now that Nancy P will be controlling what bills even come to the floor, and put the one's that are sure to be vetoed (cause there was only one,stem cells, when the Repubs held control), my guess is that whatever is put forward will be carefully done.

And "O"...I disagree that ANYONE that's a true American was rooting against our troops. They didn't present the insane policy, they follow orders, remember. I sure hope they all come home safely and stand beside me when I sing "America, the Beautiful"...cause it is.
btw, Dubbya is not America.

Oracle, you have got to stop going to Fox for your news. :) Hey, did you see the one about the Fox memo, giving the anchors their talking points ahead of time?

Please show any of us examples of where Democrats have been rooting for the deaths of American soldiers. I generally find you pretty funny, and love your racing insights, but I find that accusation pretty disgusting and anti-patriotic and offensive. I have friends who have served over there, I send support packages overseas, and unlike your Republican buddies who just had a can of whup-ass opened all over them, I'd like to see my tax dollars go to get those soldiers properly armored and supported, not into the pockets of Halliburton. Why don't you just admit you don't love America, you love Big Business? Why don't you admit you hate our soldiers because you love tax cuts and war, waged properly, is expensive? Why don't you put a big Enron sticker on your terrorist-enabling, gas guzzling car? Why do you hate our freedom????

;)

Here's an article on why Gore might be the dark horse for 2008. Looks like his waistline will tell the tale on whether he chooses to run...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=10967

Dude, i'm not sure if you're being serious or not. In case you are i have to tell you. Al Gore and J Kerry are done as far as presidential prospects. toast.
They're damaged goods. You've got to look for someone else.

I'm not sure that Bush knows where his veto pen is. I don't think he's used it.

ArlJ,
Not if Repubs put up Trent (I like Strom) Lott and George (Macaca) Allen.
Do you think Foley will be a possible vp candidate and Abramoff will get on parole in time to be a big fund raiser?
At this point, I'm looking at all possibles.

trying to get gore or kerry elected againwould be like repubs going for dole again.
if that's the best the dems can do, it will be about as worthwhile an effort as the last time they tried--and failed.

If you want to look at all possibilties that's fine.
I prefer to stick with those that have even a remote chance.
I take it that you're just joking about the Republicans you mentioned.

Back to Kerry or Gore, what I'm saying is that they have no chance of getting the dem nomination so it doesn't matter if they could beat whoever the Reps put up.

Exactly, it would be like resurrecting Dole, or Kemp, or even Qualye! (sp)

ArlJ,
Of course I'm not taking many things seriously at this point.
The Dems won't be counting on Gore (though he's gotten environmental issues going again)...maybe Sec of Interior? and Kerry...nope.
If the Repubs are hanging their hat on McCain, seems that he's swimmin' against the tide on Iraq. We'll see. All the neocons are bailing on Dubbya and the best hope for him is a "face saving" strategy, soon to be put forth by Daddy's buddies.
Rudy has no shot IMHO. He's already proven how capable he is...where did he move the command center? Yeah...good thinking.
And the rescuers were told by HIM, it's safe there, no need for protective gear, breathing protection...duh!
Mitt from Mass? Maybe, but I don't think he'll play with the evangelicals...isn't Mass the only state that allows gay marriage? Who was gov? The Repubs are running out of possibles, unless they try one of the racists again...and look where that got them.
What is Dan Quayle doing these days?
The Dems have a long way to go, but, if they get past the stumble of the first week, wait for Baker's report, and play their cards (Edwards) right, they might have a shot.
btw...The one and only Dubbya veto was about stem cells. He has made "executive modifications" to many that he's signed. I'l have to google it, but it's close to 600. Last minute rewrites before signing.
The Dems have two years minus one week to get something together.
Maybe they'll do a little better than the past six from the ones that made what we've got.
We'll see.
DTS

I kinda agree with your Rep assessment. McCain- shaky, Rudy - no way, after that it gets into people without name recognition which means you need someone charismatic with ideas. I think Mitt is a dark horse who will do well for these reasons. I really don't know how his religion will play into it but I don't think it will be a huge detriment. The evangelicals? where will they go if Mitt won the nom? Would they bail out on the party? don't think so. But if the reps again put these types front and center, they'll lose.

its early, lots can happen.

I have to say thought that as bad as the Rep situation looks, it is not much prettier on the Dem side. there are big problems for all of the main characters.

Arlj,
You could be completely right on this.
I don't think the "gay marriage" deal will play with the "religious right" at all, and though Mitt has shown good stuff regarding bringing things into balance after the "big dig", my guess is that the evangelicals will look elsewhere.
It is early. Lots can happen.
Seems that the Repubs still have to play the "commander-in-chief's" hand, and we'll just have to see how that plays.
If Baker comes to the rescue, fine with me. I have my doubts.
The "objectives" have gone through redefinition after redefinition.
Some people don't forget.
Like Edwards, I'll watch. If he picks Obama to run with, the Dems might show some hope.
The Repubs have to put out better than what they've got. Darkhorse?
I don't see one yet, but plenty of time.
We'll see.
It's interesting.
DTS

Kerry no longer has Kennedy behind him like he did in 2004. Kennedy (the Kennedy who will never be in the White House but desperately wants to be) saw his chance go down the tubes after Kerry lost the election. It was Kennedy's words you were hearing from Kerry's mouth back then. Now Kerry's speaking for himself and well, we see where that's got him.

Edward is clearly the candidate that is most electable.
Even repubs like me don't have a negative stance on him and would vote for him if he proves his mettle and the repub candidate doesn't meet the needs.
Dems need to moderate, in case noone's told them strong defense and lack of handouts to those who don't deserve them is where mainstream USA stands. Kerry and Gore and Hilary represent the ideals of the old Dems.
They need a fresh face like Edwards to win it.

Big-O: Edwards is an "ambulance chaser" in the mold of John Grishams' "King of Torts"! Just ask his constituents!

NO Sh it Sherlock. Some Demo's relished our failure. Sick.
Read the post.
And if you dont think the Republicans act the same way... the swamp land thing buddy, I got more than an acre for you. A few good people on both sides but mostly a bunch of hacks that have more ability to get reelected than to make good policy. Dont fool yourself and think Republicans have some leg up.

Kerry is a goner.

Its Hillary. She is smart, shes got ideas, and has done some incredibly Republican type things with the business community in New York. She can buck the often-times outrageously unworkable policy the Demos try.

Its McCain. He speaks his mind and can go against Republican stupidity and not get hurt. He is as close to an independent as one can get. These may be the two most electable people from both sides at present.

mccain, edwards, kerry, gore. all losers in past races. if they really had what it took, they'd have been elected. far as i can remember, only bush one and nixon had failed campaigns and got elected later. bush benefitted from reagan choosing him as his running mate, altho historically vp's are no shoo-in.

the eventual winner may not even have his name in circulation right now. it's not as tho clinton was a household name when he decided to run.

hillary has a lot of baggage. a ton, and i'm just not sure that she can win a national election.
obama imo doesn't have enough experience.
i can't believe it's two years out and we're already discussing this.

i agree completely with your assessment. Most of the names being thrown around now are losers not capable of winning a general national election.

As far as not believing that we are discussing it? I'm not surprised at all.
This is a board where the day after BC day we start discussing the Kentucky Derby. It's never too early!!:D

This is the sad state of America. The people in this country that root for failure in government are pathetic. They would rather see their country go to hell than have the other party do well.

These people that root for failure in our government, whether they be the Democrats who secretly root for failure in Iraq, or people like Oracle and his original post, who root for nothing to get done by the Democrats, like cleaning up corruption, these people are more loyal to their parties than their country.

These people are traitors. Anyone who cares about their party more than their country is a traitor. How anyone can be a Republican or Democrat is beyond me. I guess they are too stupid to think for themselves. This isn't the 1800's or even the 1900's where you needed parties for information and for communication, this is the year 2006, where people can get anything they want from a computer. Wake up people.

I don't like what either one of the political parties are doing right now. Both parties are full of people who are almost entirely incapable of making good decisions for the people of this country. I used to be a Republican before the current Bush administration started ****ing up because of the whole Clinton debacle. Now, I don't like either one of them. I will bad mouth the Dems as much as I've bad mouthed the Repubs unless either one or both of the parties can get their acts together, and it would certainly be about time (wishful thinking). At least I'm not biased. LOL!