7/11 (KEE): Jenny Wiley, Ashland, Madison (G1's), Blue Grass (G2), more
 

CROSS COUNTRY P5

Leg A Keeneland-6 Shakertown-G3
Leg B Delaware-7 Robert Dick-G3
Leg C Keeneland-8 Jenny Wiley-G1
Leg D Keeneland-9 Blue Grass-G2
Leg E Belmont-Race-9 NY-ALW

Glad to see Swiss Skydiver in the Blue Grass. I actually think this is an easier spot than the Ashland as I think Venetian Harbor may be better than anything she'll face in the Blue Grass.

I vow to no longer respond to obvious trolling. I gotta give you credit....this is some funny bait you have thrown out.

My friend, we've been adversaries long enough. You know I don't troll. I say what I feel. I'm just not one to go with the conventional and safe all the time. I've always liked fillies against the boys. None of the boys in this Blue Grass look like Candy Ride to me and the way the girls have run since Oaklawn makes me believe they are legit and as fast as the boys. If I'm wrong and neither Swiss Skydiver or Venetian Harbor runs worth a damn, you'll just think of me as an idiot. Kind of like you already do. So it's a no lose situation for me.

By the way, I have never told you but I enjoy your work on TVG.

We get it, you're essentially a one trick pony with other people's horses....run the girls against the boys. If Swiss Skydiver never wins a Grade 1, her connections can look back to 7/11 as the day they made a questionable decision. In this particular case I see a trainer who has made many grandiose choices that gathered attention but drew poor results. Not what I would do, but not my horse either. I wish them luck. It's not a particularly strong race, though much more challenging than a Grade 1 in her division on the same day, and one that could lead to further questionable choices.

But, you are trolling, and your last line proves it...unless you want to choose option B...which doesn't speak well of your powers of deduction.

How much are you betting on Swiss Skydiver on Saturday? I would hate to think you aren't putting your money where you think others should be putting theirs.

This is kind of dumb sir. I said i enjoy your work. I meant it. There's no need for me to say it if I didn't believe it. If you chose to believe i'm trolling you, that's your right. I know i mean it.

I don't own horses. I suspect most of us on here don't so most of the opinions we give on here involve us giving opinions on what others should do or should have done with their horses. Would I always follow my own suggestions if I was in the position of the owners? I'd like to think so but it's quite possible that I wouldn't. The beauty of forums like these is unlike you, most of us are just fans so we can talk about the sport from a different angle, an angle that is slanted more towards what we would like to see rather than what's best for the principals involved. That shouldn't be mistaken for not understanding that being 1/9 in a grade one against your own sex is a more logical spot than being 6/1 third choice in a an open grade one. That shouldn't be mistaken for not understanding how valuable that grade one is on the resume. I know how important the resume is in a breeding career.

How much I'll bet, I don't know. Depends on how the day has gone prior to that race. I've never divulged how much I bet before and I won't start with this race. To me, that information is and always has been private. Proving it to anyone has never been my style and if that leads to people believing I don't bet, well, I just have to live with that. I will say this. I am an old fashioned bettor. I like win bets and occasionally some exactas. That's pretty much it. I don't like multi-race wagers much. If I do a multi-race wager, I will not go more than two horses deep in any race. To me, having to go 5-6 deep in any race means I don't have a strong opinion and I won't bet if I don't have a strong opinion.

Anyway, take the compliment bro. You do good work. Seriously. I don't have to like you as a person to say that.

I actually agree with King Glorious on something.

I enjoy BTW’s work on TVG as well.

Clock.
Work.

I enjoy BTW’s work on Good Morning America too. How about you?

BTW does great work on General Hospital as well.

Some of my finest work.

Looking back on my days with Erica, Tad, and the others are some of my fondest memories.

I’ve never seen that show. Too busy betting horses during the day.

I'll admit to only glancing at this ( I think we can all agree that it's a bit on the long side ), but just one thing....I really did think you were trolling, you know....given I have never worked for TVG and it's been years since I even made one of my few brief appearances with them. I apologize and will now settle on Option B. I won't make that mistake again. Apologies.

Now that is funny. Now I get the joke. I was always watching TvG and didn’t realize I said it instinctively. America’s Day at the Races on Fox.

Speaking of betting, how about a friendly bet for the Bluegrass. If Swiss Skydiver is in the exacta you can make my signature on the board. If she is not first or second, I get to make yours. You in?

Swiss Skydiver could very well win the Bluegrass. It doesn’t look like the toughest field out there. But if Venetian Harbor is so good, why isn’t she running in the Bluegrass as well. Seems like malpractice to run her in the Ashland if she would at worst be the 2nd best horse in the Bluegrass.

I would have loved to see her in the Blue Grass too but I think it makes more sense for her to be in the Ashland. She lost to Swiss Skydiver last time and there isn’t a real reason to believe she’d turn the tables.

Sure. It’s an easy bet for you because you know I’m a nice guy and won’t make anything negative for you. You’d have a field day with mine. It’s a bet.

Cool...I’m open other other bets that aren’t as easy for me. Let me know.

$100 bet. We can go through Steve since I’m sure we don’t trust each other. To put it even more in your favor, how about we make it harder for me to win. If both Swiss Skydiver AND Venetian Harbor don’t win, I’ll pay you $100. If both do, you pay me $150. Of course, if either doesn’t start or if a rider falls off, bet is cancelled.

Deal

We have some gambling there fellows!! Swiss is going to have to be real good to win this one imo.

To close the awesome first set.

A scorching one today at noon on Sirius 23 Grateful Dead channel from 10/25/89 Miami.
Bob even made it through stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis blues again clean.

I can't speak for Dahoss, though my sense is that he would agree, but I can't think of a person here that I don't know personally that I would trust more than you to pay.

Steve, on the other hand, is a bit shady.

Trying to understand why Jolie Olimpica is the 2nd choice and 5/2. I know she’s good on turf but she’s never gone this distance, pace scenario does not seem to benefit her, and there is at least a case to be made for some of the others over her.

Or am I overthinking and Rushing Fall is an easy winner here?

You were option B lol

If you play this right, you could literally not lose. Excellent bet on your part.

That’s a fantastic race. I doubt Jolie ends up going off 2nd choice. Bad line IMO. She’s good and she’s got a big reputation but Toinette should be 2nd choice.

I have a ton of respect for Rushing Fall but I don’t like her Saturday. She had everything go her way last time and I don’t see that happening here. I’m using Juliet Foxtrot, who should’ve gotten a lot out of her last, Toinette and Altea. Altea is a bit of a chase on my part as l’ve bet her the last three times and she should’ve won last time. She’s a notch below the best in here but is due for some luck. We both are :D

A bit?

:D

I can’t ignore Rushing Fall but like Juliet Foxtrot and Toinette as well. I tried to talk myself into Altea and Mucho Unusual but not sure I can.

I don’t remember if this was discussed on the board...and I know it’s very common for people to incorrectly claim a golden rail, but did rail/inside horses have an advantage on FL Derby day? Shivaree at 80-1, Identifier at 60-1, Just Whistle at 24-1, Swiss Skydiver at 9-1, Bajan Girl at above 100-1, Wind of Change at 9-1, Yorkton at 20-1 all got inside trips and outran their odds, some hitting career best Beyers. A few did not run very well the next time out.

Obviously Swiss Skydiver has acquitted herself and a horse like Yorkton is pretty nice...but I’m trying to figure out if a horse like Shivaree is worth consideration given what looks like a bit of a bias in his biggest race and the likely pace scenario in the Bluegrass, he seems like a toss from exotics unless the track ends up being favorable conditions for him tomorrow.

Your money will be on the way soon.

If you want to see track records broken at Keeneland I guess they need to move the meet permanently to July.

Four track or course records set today and the Blue Grass and Madison were just a tick off the 9f and 7f marks respectively. Also a 2yo maiden and an allowance horse were each about a second off the track records for 6f and 6.5f.

Or did they install new surfaces and there were no prior records?

For the record, King Glorious is a stand up guy. We agreed upon a place to donate the bet money and he made the donation last night.

Without getting too preachy, I understand these are tough times for everyone but if you have the means there are a lot of very worthy horse related places that could use the help.

I have a pay pal account that is as worthy any. Shall I dm the details?

I’m sure you got your PPP Cheese. $RINO

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