Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers: Gamine 110, Tiz the Law 100
 

BEL Belmont S. (G1): Tiz the Law 100 (Constitution) B. Tagg/M. Franco
BEL Acorn S (G1): Gamine 110 (Into Mischief) B. Baffert/J. Velazquez
BEL Jaipur S (G1): Oleksandra-AUS 101 (Animal Kingdom) N. Drysdale/J. Rosario
BEL Woody Stephens S. (G1): No Parole 100 (Violence) T. Amoss/L. Saez
BEL Pennine Ridge S (G2): Decorated Invader 93 (Declaration of War) C. Clement/J. Rosario
BEL Wonder Again S (G3): Sweet Melania 87 (American Pharoah) T. Pletcher/J. Ortiz
BEL OC/ALW-C: Breaking the Rules 97 (War Front) C. McGaughey/J. Velazquez
BEL F/M-ALW/N1X (6.5f): Indian Pride 87 (Proud Citizen) C. Brown/J. Castellano
BEL 3yo MSW (7f): Happy Saver 89 (Super Saver) T. Pletcher/J. Velazquez
BEL Lady Shipman S: Bredenbury-IRE - (Night of Thunder-IRE) H. Motion/L. Saez
BEL Sir Cat S: Jack and Noah-FR 89 (Bated Breath-GB) M. Casse/J. Velazquez
BEL Critical Eye S: Ratajkowski 82 (Drosselmeyer) H. Motion/J. Ortiz

CD Wise Dan S (G2): Factor This 98 (The Factor) B. Cox/S. Bridgmohan
CD Audubon S: Field Pass 92 (Lemon Drop Kid) M. Maker/T. Gaffalione

SA Lazaro Barrera S (G3): Collusion Illusion 91 (Twirling Candy) M. Glatt/F. Prat
SA Wilshire S (G3): Toinette 91 (Scat Daddy) N. Drysdale/F. Prat
SA American S (G3): Blitzkrieg 99 (War Front) D. O'Neill/V. Espinoza
SA San Juan Capistrano S (G3): Red King 92 (English Channel) P. D'Amato/U. Rispoli
SA Snow Chief S: Indian Peak 80 (Comic Strip) Q. Howey/M. Smith
SA Melair S: Warren's Showtime 85 (Clubhouse Ride) C. Lewis/J. Velez
SA Siren Lure S: Big Runnuer 96 (Stormy Atlantic) V. Garcia/R. Fuentes

WO Whimsical S (G3): Jean Elizabeth - (Adios Charlie) L. Rivelli/D. Moran

RUI Mountain Top Futurity: Up via DQ My Storm Warrior 48 (Attila's Storm) T. Fincher/F. Reyes

TDN George Lewis Memorial S: Mobil Solution 80 (Mobil) J. Radosevich/L. Rivera
TDN J. William Petro Memorial H: Drillit 79 (Drill) R. Gorham/T. Houghton

DEL Obeah S: Lucky Move 93 (Lookin At Lucky) J. Guerrero/R. Rosado

IND Sagamore Sired S: Cash Logistics 54 (Unbridled Express) G. Londono/J. Graham
IND Swifty Sired Fillies S: Sandy's Newsgirl 44 (Elite Squadron) T. Glyshaw/F. De La Cruz

CBY 10,000 Lakes S: Hot Shot Kid 90 (Majestic Warrior) M. Robertson/F. Arrieta
CBY Lady Slipper S: Ready to Runaway 88 (First Dude) M. Robertson/A. Canchari

Quite a bit of change in the track throughout the day I guess. Either way, Happy Saver was extremely impressive.

How did the track change?

I’m assuming...didn’t No Parole and Happy Saver run the same time?

Ask CJ? He has the answer or at least thinks he does

I would but he blocked me on twitter. I disagreed with him. Kinda soft.

No Parole ran almost a full second faster to the 3/4’s.

He couldn't have known it was you

One was 1:21.41, the other was 1:21.51. You’d think that the figure would be nearly identical.

Internal fractions don’t matter?

I’m constantly amused at people who talk about speed figures but know nothing about them, how they are made, etc.

Ignorance is bliss!

Unless the process has changed, Beyer figures are based on final times only. They may use projections or past races to see if a figure makes sense. Internal fractions and ground loss and other factors are used in different figure systems. Two horses in the same race can finish a nose apart and they get an identical number. They don’t say “horse a was on the lead the entire time and ran these fractions and horse b was way off the pace and ran different fractions so they get a different figure.”

For BSF? No, unless I missed the memo.

You might have missed a memo or two while you’ve been incorrectly talking about Kent Desormeaux rides.

If Happy Saver got a 100, that would’ve put the runner up in the lower 90’s? Does that seem right?

I’m asking you my man?

Don’t you think they used past races here?

That reminds me of something I’ve been meaning to ask you. What is higher, Happy Saver’s debut Beyer or your annual horse racing handle?

What did the runner up get last time?

Again, I’m literally asking you. Could you please explain the difference to me? I respect your opinion.

I don’t know what the runner up got in his debut. Do you have yesterday’s PP’s handy?

Even if they took past races into account, that still wouldn’t change the fact that they ran the same time in the same track at the same distance yesterday. With that being the case you cannot say based on times that one was faster than the other. The only logical assumption to make is that they are saying the track changed.

Think of it another way. If one horse consistently runs 100 and another consistently runs 80 then they both run on the same day and get the same time, you are left with a couple of different choices:

A) the horse that always runs an 80 ran much faster today
B) the horse that always runs 100 ran much slower today
C) both horses ran close to their norm but the track was changed

This is pretty basic stuff that I’m hoping someone else will have the courage to tell you.

Also, if you chose to believe that I don’t wager because I don’t share it on here, that’s your right. I hope you realize though that what you believe or not doesn’t change what I actually do or don’t do and that your belief or lack thereof really ranks low on the scale of things I care about.

I choose to believe you don’t wager because you don’t strike me as someone who bets. Maybe I’m wrong and I could care less about you posting bets on here. Call it a gut feeling. You literally never have a pre race opinion on anything other than crap like where a horse should run. But you’re usually the first to appear post race. That’s what a gutless non bettor does.

The fact you felt the need to respond tells me that you care more than you can admit though. :{>:

Obviously I made a mistake. See, I can admit it. I was thinking of something else.

Doesn’t really change the fact that Happy Saver getting a 100 would mean the others also ran way faster than they had previously. I’m sure you didn’t even look at the race beforehand, but does that seem logical?

I don’t post pre race because I care about you. See, I know you live waiting on me to post so you can reply in a negative way and I don’t want you to be so distracted with trying to respond to me that you miss the actual races.

You’re welcome.

FTFY

Whatever it takes to make you happy, I’m all for it. Have a great week my friend.

They don't.

For SPEED figures (not PERFORMANCE figures), the internal fractions are irrelevant. When you make a Beyer figure, the only thing that matters is the final time.

Some 'performance' figures may take pace into account when creating a final numerical figure. That's not the same thing as a Beyer or other speed figure.

Yeah Phil I already admitted I made a mistake and I was thinking of something else.

Did you miss that post?

Struck a nerve, huh?

It seems absolutely logical to not give him 100 also because as you said, that would indicate that the others had also run faster than they had before. That’s why it made sense to assume they had altered the track.

SA Melair S: Warren's Showtime 85 (Clubhouse Ride) C. Lewis/J. Velez
SA American S (G3): Blitzkrieg 99 (War Front) D. O'Neill/V. Espinoza
SA San Juan Capistrano S (G3): Red King 92 (English Channel) P. D'Amato/U. Rispoli
SA Siren Lure S: Big Runnuer 96 (Stormy Atlantic) V. Garcia/R. Fuentes

WO Whimsical S (G3): Jean Elizabeth - (Adios Charlie) L. Rivelli/D. Moran

BEL Lady Shipman S: Bredenbury-IRE 88 (Night of Thunder-IRE) H. Motion/L. Saez

Did anyone explain why there would be a 10 point difference in those Beyer Numbers ? Will this be an adjusted figure in a couple of days ?

Listen to Beyer on today's show.
Races 2 and 3 - separate variant.
After that, 10 points faster.

I did, because it was on the second page.

You were quite salty on this topic though. Maybe just take the L and move on.

LOL

Someone’s salty but it’s not me.

Be honest...how many years have you been waiting for the day I made a mistake so you could rush in and correct me?

You sound like Donald Trump.

Huh?

Don't flatter yourself. I don't know you. I know a lot of people on this board and they know me. You're not that important to me, not sure how you got that opinion.

You're out of line here and I'm telling you nicely to back down. That is all.

Putting aside how upset I am about not being that important to you, because I thought we really had something...

You’re telling me to back down? From what? What are you going to do if I don’t?

You look like a bulldog with cornrows