Is it just me or is Godolphin winning everything
 

it seems like the past month they have won alot of major races here in the US, and even a few big ones in Europe. Looks like they are finally doing something right, and managing their talent much better.

See Joel Cunningham's article on the Darley stable that he put up on this site. I completely agree with you.

They are on a roll like I have never seen. They have the money, talent and desire to be the best and it is starting to show.

the thing is they didn't win the derby
the Preakness & Belmont are nice
but they want derby
and they haven't got derby
thus they are failures in their own eyes

don't they have the green monkey ?? for 2007 KD

There is a reason that they don't have The Green Monkey and I'll just leave it at that....honestly, they should own that one as well

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369

..link to the article I wrote about 10 days ago...

I think its just finally a combination of patience and management that has finally gotten them them, although not really as the collective Godolphin banner. Nonetheless the brothers are getting their acts together. You also have to give due to trainers Albertrani, Peitz,Harty,Mclaughlin,Henning,Drysdale, Mott and even Duggan when he oversaw the midwest string.

Having the horses actually train here and get acclimated has really been the turning point, now we see more often in the past 2 years or so alot of their horses prepping here or at Woodbine (Gr1 races) before BC races

I believe, as others do, that this is just the tip of the iceberg. They have bought much of the best bloodstock in the world and are in a position to breed the best animals that money can buy.

As long as oil stays around $70 a barrel, these guys will have money to burn on any horse they want. I think the Saudi prince at Juddmonte is going to also make it very difficult for Americans to dominate US racing any longer. The families with a net worth of 20-$50 million are going to have a tough time keeping up with the billionaires.

The Green Monkey is not owned by Godolphin
he is owned by Coolmore
Todd Pletcher doesn't train for Godolphin
Jazil & Bernadini trained in the states
unlike Discreet Cat
the only thing they did right
in trying to win the classic races
but still
it's not like they came close to winning the derby

Well they won two legs of the tri crown, the Woody Stephens and the race yesterday by Dubai Escapade was nice as well.
But they won't have any champions in the Us this year.

If they beat Lael's Showing Up in two weeks at Colonial Downs with Carnera or Foreign Minister then I will be impressed.

Their 3yr old grass horse named Foreign Minister could be a good one too. I think he recently ran second to a 4yr old in a 133.4 mile. I expect to see FM at the $1 million race at Colonial.

They're about to talk about this post on ATRAB in a few minutes.

Oracle, you dont think Dubai Escapade will be a champion?

Champion of what? They don't have a "filly or mare sprinter" division. I highly doubt that she can best colts and horses, and I doubt she will stretch out, Onnagan Mccool is gonna be tough to beat there.
So what champion are we looking at them owning?

I think she can stretch out. Onnagan McCool is becoming one of my favorite horses. I dont think she can get the boys either. I have a feeling they may run her in the filly and mare turf or perhaps the distaff. I think she has a shot in the distaff more so than the turf. If she wins the distaff, then she might be champ.

Don't forget about the 2 ALW winners Saturday.. Afrashad and Safsoof..

Invasor as older horse champ
Bernardini as 3 yr old and probably horse of the year

Ouch,
Jinxy cat just destroyed the Royal family's hopes and dreams. Up on hearing the news that the guy who jinxed jazil into the winners circle on saturday had just declared that Bernandini would be HOY, the royal family immediately sent word to their agents to immediately begin searching for a good 3Yo for sale. LOL!!! Well, thats the end of Bernandini. The Seattle curse has been laid upon him.

This is a very bold statement....if Bernardini wins the Travers and BC Classic, then he'll be Horse of the Year IMO...also, Shawanda is close to her return at Ascot and if she comes for the BC F&M Turf in November, she'll win that race and could also be a champion...Plus, you have Songster and henny Hughes who are both legit BC Sprint candidates...I would disagree against the predicting that they'll have no 2006 champions in early June...the second half of the year is in front of us...

Joel with all due respect he won a Preakness that was marred by Barbaro breaking down and Bro deerek being compromised by getting hurt in the gate.
Sweet NS wandered like a drunken sailor down the lane. Flower Alley hasn't even cranked up yet but soon will. To predict that a three year old will best his elders at this point is not something I'm willing to do.

Bernardini is the most talented horse in the country...period...I firmly believe that...he beats Barbaro in the Preakness if that colt doesn't break down...firmly believe that.....we'll see at year's end.

My prediction of Bernardini being the best horse is bold, but I also thought he'd win the Preakness and I was awarded by hitting the EX, TRI and SUPER...your prediction is bold, too, which is fine..I'm just saying that you are throwing a blanket over a significant amount of talented horse flesh if you are saying halfway through the year that they won't have an Eclipse horse....Have you even seen any of their babies run?...No, cause they won't run until Saratoga. So, what if they have a BC Juvenile or Juvenile Fillies winner that hasn't debuted yet?..Certainly not out of the question considering they spent hundreds of millions of dollars at auction on the crop of 2-year-olds they are about to unveil.....shaky prediction, but we'll see..

Shaky?
Well Joel I live in saratoga. And pletcher has more talent in this barn up here in saratoga than the sheikh has throughout the world. YOu think Scat daddy and Minefield are great? Wait til Saratoga. Hes got babies breaking watches every morning, and many of them. Todd's 2Yo's will sweep every grade one in the Northeast this year, every one. You ain't seen anything yet. Wait until you see the Pletcher show this summer. Its a gonna be a smash hit.

Yeah, I know he has The Green Monkey and many others...saw several of them train...that is come to be expected every year....I've talked to people out of that camp...Scat Daddy is the goods in that barn....

Hes the best, but there are more, many more.

I'd take any action on a two year old US champ prop(either sex) Pletchers barn vs all the Sheikh's horses, anywhere, any country.

Does anyone wanna call me out on either prop?
Pletcher's barn vs Sheikh over all eclipses
Pletcher's barn vs Sheikh two year old champs(both sexes)

Go for it.

What? No takers? Geez. With all these worshippers of foreign sheikhs I thought someone would wanna take that action. Guess not.
USA!!!!

I have to ask what made you change your tune on Bernardini; right after the Preakness, you had no hesitation in claiming Bernardini's performance to be phenomenal and that he might very well have beaten Barbaro. Now you turn around 180 degrees and his race wasn't that good?

I'm glad that racing writers have been able to put aside their feelings and look at Bernardini's performance in the cold hard light of reality - it was brilliant. There is still so much more racing left but Bernardini is championship quality, of that I have no doubt. He's got the chance now to prove it on the track, as it should be.

I think it will be very interesting to see what they do with Discreet Cat and Bernardini after their projected next starts in the Jim Dandy and Haskell respectively. Assuming both stay sound, an obvious " if ", I wonder if they will race against each other in the Travers.

My guess is that with the Woodward now being run in Saratoga you will see one of them in the Travers and the other take on elders in the Woodward the following week. Just a guess but I think it makes some sense.

Black,
Don't you see one going in the Haskell and being saved for fall racing and one going Jim Dandy then Travers?

It was a great race. But to be beat elders in the BCC is another story. I personally think Flower Alley will slay all comers when he returns and I think the late comeback is by design. I think he wins the Whitney, the JCGC, and the BCC. His talent is immense, and his BCC as a 3yo against older truly unappreciated.

When and if ever Coolmore decide to take American racing seriously watch out.

The Woodward basically is " fall racing ".

I just feel like with horses this good they will not run in races like the Super Derby or Pennsylvania Derby and will point for a combination of the Travers, Woodward and Jockey Club Gold Cup. Considering Discreet Cat's obvious issues I could easily see them waiting the additional week for the Woodward and then going directly to the BC.

They will and Tood will be training most of them. His operation is a machine. You ought see those TAP sets out every morning. Ferocious beasts.
Like I said, if anyone wants any Pletcher vs Sheikh action in ecplipses at even money count me in.

I guess you are right. Hes some horse, no doubt. But I will take Flower Alley against anyone alive in the BCC right now.

What is so immense about Flower Alley's talent? Where is his monsterous performance?

Don't get me wrong, he is a nice horse, and ran very well last year, but he hardly strikes me as a world beater. And, sorry, I find his late start troubling, and wonder what the true story may be. We already saw one disasterous return by one of that barn's stars, Indian Vale, and let's face it, the connections have not had an abundance of success in keeping horses together for long periods of time.

Well his Travers was awesome as was his BCC. I hear he had a breathing problem in the JCGC and tend to believe it after his BCC. I thinkhis BCC performance would have won 85% of BCC's ever run. And I think that they set a campaign designed for HOY. Melnyk has too much cash to race one like that who isn't right.

I will for BC Juvenile Fillies, but not Juvenile....the reason is that I think Scat Daddy will win the Juvenile and have thought that since I saw him train at CD...I thought that First Samurai would win the Juvenile last year before he even debuted just by watching him train at CD in the mornings...obviously, he was the favorite but didn't win.....I LOVE Scat Daddy.

I'll prop bet Pletcher's fillies VS. Darley's fillies...niether is likely to win because of the law of numbers, but maybe we can say best finish between Pletcher fillies and Darley fillies, or do they have to win?

..You actualy have an advantage because I know Pletcher has that 1.2 million Johanessburg filly that Coolmore LOVES..

My ear is open...what are the conditions?..