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eurobounce

11-07-2006 09:56 AM

Breeders Cup will not be going to New York

Thayer has stated that the BC will not consider Belmont as a host track until they get the bankruptcy thing settled out. Since they usually announce venues 2 years in advance, that means the Cup may not return to New York until 2010.

Personally, I think this is sad news. I like when the Cup is at Belmont. It is a great place for the horses and for people around the world.

Hopefully they (NYRA and State) gets things worked out so the Cup can go back to Belmont.

jpops757

11-07-2006 10:04 AM

Like it or not, this could make the state,nyra, and the voters settle this mess. The state is so much one of the industrys primary players.

eurobounce

11-07-2006 10:08 AM

Well they Cup needs to be at Churchill every three years at minimum because the Breeders Cup gets a tax incentive from the State of KY if they hold it at Churchill once every 3 years. So 2007 and 2008 or 2009 is taken. I dont think this will be cleared up by 2008 so I think 2010 will be when it returns to Belmont.

Revolution

11-07-2006 10:08 AM

NYRA is gone. Their biggest critic is being voted Governor of the state today. Couldn't happen soon enough.

kgar311

11-07-2006 10:18 AM

Spitzer swallows is the devil

Revolution

11-07-2006 10:23 AM

Belmont is my favorite track but they should never have the Breeders Cup there again. It is too cold and that place is a wind machine. It is absolutely miserable to sit there all day in November.

eurobounce

11-07-2006 10:27 AM

I like a three track rotation but throw in an oddball track in the 4th year.

For Example:
2006 - Churchill
2007 - Monmouth
2008 - Santa Anita
2009 - Churchill - tax reasons
2010 - Belmont
2011 - Arlington
2012 - Churchill - tax resons
2013 - Santa Anita

Something like this would be good.

TitanSooner

11-07-2006 12:34 PM

Santa Anita will be Poly / Cushion in 2008. Uh Oh.

Hickory Hill Hoff

11-07-2006 06:55 PM

And whats better...

:confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revolution

NYRA is gone. Their biggest critic is being voted Governor of the state today. Couldn't happen soon enough.

Be careful what you wish for...it could be and most likely will be a lot worst for good racing in N.Y. after next year...thank the next (unfortunately) Governor of the "formerly Empire State". If you think NYRA is that bad, tell me which racing jurisdiction is BETTER with the daily nine race cards? Year round!

repent

11-08-2006 12:26 AM

hell,
its in NJ next year.

Im not from that part of the country, but I have visited.
how far is Monmouth from the city really?
isnt it btwn NYC and Phili?

anyway,
its not like east coast horses are going to have to ship for the event.

Repent

point given

11-08-2006 10:19 AM

1st poly BC

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

Santa Anita will be Poly / Cushion in 2008. Uh Oh.

Uh Oh is right ! It would seem to me that Santa Anita would be in line for 2008 after its been at Belmont, CD, Monmouth . The euros should love it and the sprint should be even more impossible to 'cap . As somone else pointed out CD and Belmont would likely be in line for 2009-10. The NYRA mess should be settled by then, hopefully.

repent

11-09-2006 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Monmouth is along the Jersey Shore, so I wouldn't classify it as between New York and Philadelphia. It could take about one hour to get there from NYC with the usually expected traffic. (During Friday nights and Saturday mornings during summer, it is ridiculous.)

You can get to Monmouth from NYC by either train or boat. (The ferry is neat.) I used the train once this summer -- Haskell Day -- and I believe it took about 1 1/2 hours. The train delivers you to the backstretch of the track.

Monmouth is a speed favoring one mile oval, and a very nice place to watch the races. It draws a beach crowd, since so many people are on the Jersey Shore during the summer. It's small, though, and I'm unsure how it will hold up during Breeders' Cup week in terms of seating.

thanks,
yeah I play Monmouth sometimes and like you say, its spd favoring.

can they even run a 12f turf race at that track?
not sure its configured to do so.

I wonder how open the Euros are going to be to it?
cold weather, but thats a tight turf course from what I have seen.

no reason to hold it at any track besides Belmont, CD, Arlington or GP imo.

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Slewbopper

11-09-2006 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent

thanks,

can they even run a 12f turf race at that track?
not sure its configured to do so.

I wonder how open the Euros are going to be to it?
cold weather, but thats a tight turf course from what I have seen.

Repent

It is a 7/8 turf course...same as Churchill.

repent

11-10-2006 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Slewbopper

It is a 7/8 turf course...same as Churchill.

gee,
you think?

Repent

repent

11-10-2006 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus

I'm wondering why the Breeders' Cup hasn't returned to Arlington Park. A friend of mine who went to Arlington in 2002 said it has the best sight lines of any track he has visited -- to which I'm certain the Chicago people will attest -- and he didn't have nearly as many problems as he did at Lone Star, another site that needed temporary seating.

It is "Euro friendly," and resides just outside one of our great cities.

well,
Im not surprised it has not made it back yet.
it was there just 4 years ago.
but I would disappointed if it did not get it back soon.
its got a 9f main oval with a nice, wide 8f turf course.

Ive never been but it looks like the PNC Park of racetracks(anyone who has been to that ballpark in Pittsburgh knows what I am talking about).

Lone Star was a disaster, and I say that as someone who is at LS at least once a month.
no reason to ever go there again.
if you want to give it to Magna, give it to that nightclub down in Hallendale.
similar course layout to Arlington.

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31lengths

11-10-2006 06:05 AM

I see it as an opportunity to improve all major tracks. Get the city or some high finance business to throw a ton of money expanding/renovating these places. It'll be like the All-Star games of our major sports and the Superbowl. Prove your worth and host the BC every other year (leave it at Churchill on opposite years).

ddthetide

11-10-2006 07:52 AM

this is probably a dumb question but i'll ask anyway.:o
could Colonial Downs hold the BC? we were there this summer and the facilities were very nice but i don't know if it's big enough? the weather would be nicer too.

Cunningham Racing

11-10-2006 08:34 AM

Can't blame the BC for that.....they should just have it at CD every year anyway IMO...its just the ultimate venue for what you need to put on a proper BC...

Belmont is the closest thing to CD in what it can offer, but I HATE the fact they run one-turn races for both the Juvenile and Juvenile Fillies....absolutely hate it......it gives horses like Wild Fit (closing sprinters) a chance to win the races.....they are not a legit 'route' races and true sprinters can be fooled enough to run huge in the races....check Henny Hughes in last year's Juvy..damn near won it on the lead...

repent

11-10-2006 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Im of the opposite opinion.
I think at the age of 2, the champion should not be decided by who runs best in a route race.
i think the BCJ and BCJF should be run at 8f.
at the age of 2, its about who develops the quickest.
its not supposed to be an indication of who is goiing to be the best 3YO or older horse down the line.

on the Arc undercard, they run their biggest 2YO races of the year for Europe(Grand Criterium and Prix Marcel) at 7 and 8f respectively.
thats the way it should be done here.
its ridiculous to run the BCJF at 8.5f and the BC Distaff at only 9f.
its the same damn race. horses are not expected to progress more than .5f in a year's time?

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Danzig

11-10-2006 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by repent

i agree completely. it's ridiculous how little difference in distance they expect an older horse to run compared to a 2 yo. either the juvies should be shorter (and they absolutely should be) or the distaff and classic should be longer. actually, not either, they should all be adjusted.

Byebyemermaid

11-10-2006 02:19 PM

The best way to get to Monmouth

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus

The best way to get there and not to have to deal with traffic is by boat that leaves from Manhattan.

repent

11-10-2006 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig188

yeah,
this is one point we do agree on Zeig.

I hear a lot of talk about a dirt mile for the BC.
thats fine, but then you need to lengthen the BC Distaff to 9.5 or 10f.

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Danzig

11-10-2006 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent

yeah,
this is one point we do agree on Zeig.

I hear a lot of talk about a dirt mile for the BC.
thats fine, but then you need to lengthen the BC Distaff to 9.5 or 10f.

Repent

oh, we've had our share of agreements...not a whole lot, but some.

i'd like to see a dirt mile, certainly would appeal to many.

Cunningham Racing

11-10-2006 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

As long as its a TWO-TURN mile - then I'm fine with that....the intrigue with the BC Juvy IMO is to gauge next year's Triple Crown contenders, and if we make it ONE TURN than it is nothing more than a long sprint IMO - which is what we don't need....

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