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Kasept 04-10-2019 12:59 PM

4/12-14 (OP): AR Derby, Apple Blossom (G1's) ~ Racing Festival
 
FRIDAY



SATURDAY






blackthroatedwind 04-10-2019 01:19 PM

Quite a pot for Tikhvin Flew. He should have been in the Bay Shore if they wanted to be ambitious.

moses 04-10-2019 01:36 PM

With the ML for Improbable set at 8-5 and Omaha Beach set at 2-1, might be some nice value if you like a horse other than those two.

blackthroatedwind 04-10-2019 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1124586)
With the ML for Improbable set at 8-5 and Omaha Beach set at 2-1, might be some nice value if you like a horse other than those two.

Why, you think those two are underlays?

moses 04-10-2019 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1124588)
Why, you think those two are underlays?

At those odds, no. But there is a lot of hype around Improbable and Omaha Beach...so...I’m imagining a situation where people get wrapped up in those two, we see them at even money and something-to-5, and maybe the odds on another horse like Long Range Toddy or Country House rise enough where it’s worth it to take a chance on them.

On top of that, both favorites like to be close to the pace, and it seems like it might be crowded up front or perhaps they stalk well but get boxed in on the rail a bit. So I could see the race setting up for a horse other than those two.

cakes44 04-10-2019 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1124588)
Why, you think those two are underlays?

Well what odds do you have LRT at if those hold up?

cakes44 04-11-2019 06:34 PM

Not much talk about the Apple Blossom. Wow what a race!

Kasept 04-12-2019 06:46 AM

SUNDAY




herkhorse 04-13-2019 06:31 AM

Chris and Dave in the handicap. 20-1 ml, should handle the slop.

RHT2004 04-13-2019 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 1124683)
Chris and Dave in the handicap. 20-1 ml, should handle the slop.

That whole field seems like it can handle the slop.
Is is going to be sloppy?

casp0555 04-13-2019 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1124684)
That whole field seems like it can handle the slop.
Is is going to be sloppy?

well its raining right now and there is a 100% chance of precipitation, they will be lucky if the severe weather doesn't shut them down during the course of the day...so yes, its going to be sloppy

https://www.wunderground.com/weather...prings-village

herkhorse 04-13-2019 08:26 AM

Santana’s horse looks live in the derby at a big price.

Alabama Stakes 04-13-2019 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1124684)
That whole field seems like it can handle the slop.
Is is going to be sloppy?

I remember Lone Sailor galloping in the mud at Saratoga. I like him. It is a good race though, anyone could win.

Alabama Stakes 04-13-2019 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1124616)
Not much talk about the Apple Blossom. Wow what a race!

Remember Zenyatta winning the Apple Blossom when Rachel didn't show?

RHT2004 04-13-2019 08:59 AM

I'm using 1 2 4 8

RHT2004 04-13-2019 09:34 AM

Hoping Mitole jogs today. I think he can win the Met Mile.

moses 04-13-2019 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by herkhorse (Post 1124687)
Santana’s horse looks live in the derby at a big price.

He’s the wildcard for me. I’ll be backing Country House once again...hopefully it finally pays off. I’m out on Omaha Beach. Have it ranked:

#1 Improbable
#8 Country House
#7 Galilean
#11 Long Range Toddy
#5 Laughing Fox

moses 04-13-2019 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1124692)
Hoping Mitole jogs today. I think he can win the Met Mile.

He’ll win. My biggest issue is figuring out how to maximize winnings off of him.

RHT2004 04-13-2019 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses (Post 1124695)
He’s the wildcard for me. I’ll be backing Country House once again...hopefully it finally pays off. I’m out on Omaha Beach. Have it ranked:

#1 Improbable
#8 Country House
#7 Galilean
#11 Long Range Toddy
#5 Laughing Fox

I ended all bets with 8,11 while acknowledging that Improbable is the horse to beat.

moses 04-13-2019 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1124713)
I ended all bets with 8,11 while acknowledging that Improbable is the horse to beat.

I like that. Good luck.

cakes44 04-13-2019 07:50 PM

This will get me grilled, but man it sure seems like Smith forces his horse to be the best horse BY FAR way too often.

moses 04-13-2019 08:59 PM

I wonder if Country House will ever make the huge move at the top of the stretch that I keep thinking he’s going to make.

Alabama Stakes 04-13-2019 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1124737)
This will get me grilled, but man it sure seems like Smith forces his horse to be the best horse BY FAR way too often.

He had plenty left in the tank after that little spurt. He waited on Improbable and said forget about it when he came calling.

RHT2004 04-14-2019 05:28 PM

Midnight Bisou is actually favored over Elate. Lol do people not realize the gap in ability here, and the fact
that Elate was off the bench last time.

Kasept 04-14-2019 06:13 PM

Definitely an ability gap.. A Manitoba-bred better than Elate too.

cakes44 04-14-2019 06:23 PM

Elate looked like dogsh!t. Zero excuse.

Kasept 04-14-2019 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1124769)
Elate looked like dogsh!t. Zero excuse.

To be fair, she was bottled up inside.

moses 04-14-2019 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1124765)
Midnight Bisou is actually favored over Elate. Lol do people not realize the gap in ability here, and the fact
that Elate was off the bench last time.

2nd time I’ve fallen victim to Elate.

cakes44 04-14-2019 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1124770)
To be fair, she was bottled up inside.

Yeah I guess...I’ll give you that. Zero acceleration once she got out though. I think she’s done.

cakes44 04-14-2019 07:03 PM

Heck I bet her and I was digging the trip she got.

knickslions2 04-14-2019 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1124768)
Definitely an ability gap.. A Manitoba-bred better than Elate too.

:D

cal828 04-14-2019 07:44 PM

Maybe she has gone bad. When that happens they seem to go very bad all at once, but maybe she just needs more ground. Where is her good race at a mile and a sixteenth? Brisnet gives her 4 triple digit figs. All are at a mile and an eighth or more and I am guessing they had a faster pace also. I want to see her in some longer races with a stronger pace before I say she's done.

cakes44 04-14-2019 08:11 PM

She never ran a lick. How the heck is more ground gonna help? She would have been better at 6f than the distance she ran today.

RolloTomasi 04-14-2019 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cal828 (Post 1124775)
Maybe she has gone bad. When that happens they seem to go very bad all at once, but maybe she just needs more ground. Where is her good race at a mile and a sixteenth? Brisnet gives her 4 triple digit figs. All are at a mile and an eighth or more and I am guessing they had a faster pace also. I want to see her in some longer races with a stronger pace before I say she's done.

She's been suspect throughout her career.

The two best horses she ever beat when winning were New Money Honey and Holy Helena (in the Alabama) and those were turf horses.

Other than that her claim to fame is failing to capitalize twice on two of the most horrendous rides ever perpetrated by Mike Smith on Abel Tasman in both the CCA Oaks 2017 and the Personal Ensign 2018 at Saratoga. Stewards I suppose could have helped out in both instances.

A ton of hype from the outset but has never actually confirmed elite status.

cal828 04-15-2019 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1124778)
She's been suspect throughout her career.

The two best horses she ever beat when winning were New Money Honey and Holy Helena (in the Alabama) and those were turf horses.

Other than that her claim to fame is failing to capitalize twice on two of the most horrendous rides ever perpetrated by Mike Smith on Abel Tasman in both the CCA Oaks 2017 and the Personal Ensign 2018 at Saratoga. Stewards I suppose could have helped out in both instances.

A ton of hype from the outset but has never actually confirmed elite status.

And there has been some hype about her here, but not from me. I never said she was all that great. I just said I didn't expect her to do what she has never done before which is run well at a mile and a sixteenth.


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