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Kasept 02-27-2019 04:47 PM

3/2 (GP): FOY (G2), Palm Beach, Very One, Bride, CDN, T-SPR, Fox (G3's)
 







knickslions2 02-28-2019 09:49 AM

Nice post for Vekoma. Looking for a big race from him!!

Alabama Stakes 02-28-2019 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1122594)
Nice post for Vekoma. Looking for a big race from him!!

Could you elaborate a little on why ? I know you and Moses are high on this hoss.
He seems to have bad action. He is seldom running straight. To me these guys rarely go forward as 3 year olds. I can’t see him even hitting the board.
Though in anothertwistafate I like the deuce Epic Dreamer to wire the field. Vekoma did beat him breaking his maiden, but I think with the Holy Bull under his belt, he can keep going. The Hough guy is interesting also.

This should strengthen your opinion on Vekoma if anything.

blackthroatedwind 02-28-2019 12:12 PM

I wonder how people that took 23:1 on Global Campaign in the Derby future pool feel about him likely being north of 10:1 in this race.

Pretty funny when you think about it.

RHT2004 02-28-2019 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1122595)
Could you elaborate a little on why ? I know you and Moses are high on this hoss.
He seems to have bad action. He is seldom running straight. To me these guys rarely go forward as 3 year olds. I can’t see him even hitting the board.
Though in anothertwistafate I like the deuce Epic Dreamer to wire the field. Vekoma did beat him breaking his maiden, but I think with the Holy Bull under his belt, he can keep going. The Hough guy is interesting also.

This should strengthen your opinion on Vekoma if anything.


Hate to say it, I'm not a fan either.

moses 02-28-2019 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1122595)
Could you elaborate a little on why ? I know you and Moses are high on this hoss.
He seems to have bad action. He is seldom running straight. To me these guys rarely go forward as 3 year olds. I can’t see him even hitting the board.
Though in anothertwistafate I like the deuce Epic Dreamer to wire the field. Vekoma did beat him breaking his maiden, but I think with the Holy Bull under his belt, he can keep going. The Hough guy is interesting also.

This should strengthen your opinion on Vekoma if anything.

There are probably some flaws in my thinking but he starts well, has early speed and finishes well, has been wide on the turn for both his races but still finishes well, has beaten Network Effect, Call Paul, Epic Dreamer, and Mihos (maybe no elite horses but each pretty good), thought his Nashua win was one of the more impressive wins of the 2YOs last year, has done this all without lasix (which is now added), like the pedigree a bit with Candy Ride as the sire and Speightstown as the damsire.

All that said, I’m really just dying to see him run again. I think what he’s done so far is a really nice foundation to build from but need to see him continue to impress.

knickslions2 02-28-2019 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1122595)
Could you elaborate a little on why ? I know you and Moses are high on this hoss.
He seems to have bad action. He is seldom running straight. To me these guys rarely go forward as 3 year olds. I can’t see him even hitting the board.
Though in anothertwistafate I like the deuce Epic Dreamer to wire the field. Vekoma did beat him breaking his maiden, but I think with the Holy Bull under his belt, he can keep going. The Hough guy is interesting also.

This should strengthen your opinion on Vekoma if anything.

His speed figures were very good as a two year old and Im sure got some of the kinks worked out. Horse is training well and has that Candy Ride appeal. Those races he won were against nice horses. Horses that have won races against some of the derby contenders. Of course its always a mystery for the first race at 3 but I think this one has a lot of positives. I think the favorite is more of a mystery here. As for the future bets I thought he was one of the few good values in the pool.

moses 02-28-2019 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1122600)
His speed figures were very good as a two year old and Im sure got some of the kinks worked out. Horse is training well and has that Candy Ride appeal. Those races he won were against nice horses. Horses that have won races against some of the derby contenders. Of course its always a mystery for the first race at 3 but I think this one has a lot of positives. I think the favorite is more of a mystery here. As for the future bets I thought he was one of the few good values in the pool.

That reminds me. One more reason:

I’ve got a futures wager on him at 35-1. I didn’t double down in Pool 2 but figured I’ll see what he does in the FOY and maybe put more money on him if his odds still look nice in pool 3. I don’t see anything moving people too far off some of these other horses. And they all run on the 9th during the Pool 3 window so recency bias will likely benefit Vekoma (if he does win the FOY) for Pool 3 value.

RHT2004 02-28-2019 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1122600)
His speed figures were very good as a two year old and Im sure got some of the kinks worked out. Horse is training well and has that Candy Ride appeal. Those races he won were against nice horses. Horses that have won races against some of the derby contenders. Of course its always a mystery for the first race at 3 but I think this one has a lot of positives. I think the favorite is more of a mystery here. As for the future bets I thought he was one of the few good values in the pool.

I think he's the 4th most likely winner Saturday.

blackthroatedwind 02-28-2019 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122610)
I think he's the 4th most likely winner Saturday.

He's not. He's the second likeliest winner....regardless of where he finishes.

knickslions2 02-28-2019 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122610)
I think he's the 4th most likely winner Saturday.

At least I got a good laugh today. Hes number 2 no matter how the race ends but I like him at 1.

moses 02-28-2019 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122610)
I think he's the 4th most likely winner Saturday.

I hope a lot of people think that.

RHT2004 02-28-2019 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1122620)
He's not. He's the second likeliest winner....regardless of where he finishes.

I respect it.

RHT2004 02-28-2019 09:45 PM

Can I lock in that 7-2 on Chads horse in the 11th? Feels more like 7-5 to me.

blackthroatedwind 03-01-2019 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122638)
Can I lock in that 7-2 on Chads horse in the 11th? Feels more like 7-5 to me.

Another embarrassing ML.

moses 03-01-2019 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122638)
Can I lock in that 7-2 on Chads horse in the 11th? Feels more like 7-5 to me.

And the horse listed above her at 3-1 doesn’t look very good (and also sees Castellano switch over to the Chad horse you’ve mentioned).

knickslions2 03-01-2019 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1122642)
And the horse listed above her at 3-1 doesn’t look very good (and also sees Castellano switch over to the Chad horse you’ve mentioned).

I like the Motts horse a lot here. Hopefully Brown and Pletcher horses get hammered at windows

RHT2004 03-01-2019 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1122646)
I like the Motts horse a lot here. Hopefully Brown and Pletcher horses get hammered at windows

I'm a fan of her, she's not in the same world as the 1. Plus the draw only helps the 1 and hurts the 10. Unless you think she's winning with that JV 5 wide no cover special ride.

blackthroatedwind 03-01-2019 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122647)
I'm a fan of her, she's not in the same world as the 1. Plus the draw only helps the 1 and hurts the 10. Unless you think she's winning with that JV 5 wide no cover special ride.

She somehow won with that ride last time. However, she is not beating Precieuse unless that one gets extremely unlucky.

moses 03-01-2019 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1122646)
I like the Motts horse a lot here. Hopefully Brown and Pletcher horses get hammered at windows

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122647)
I'm a fan of her, she's not in the same world as the 1. Plus the draw only helps the 1 and hurts the 10. Unless you think she's winning with that JV 5 wide no cover special ride.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1122648)
She somehow won with that ride last time. However, she is not beating Precieuse unless that one gets extremely unlucky.

I like the Mott horse as well but have to agree. The horse I’m particularly interested in to beat the 1 is the 4 La Signare. Works show that she is in good shape and although there are a few early runners and she faded last time out, she probably needed a race under her belt since she hadn’t run since July.

Speaking of not running since July, that’s got to be the biggest concern with Chad’s horse. She’s run once in the last year and a half. Although obviously she fired off a long layoff in July and Chad has no problem prepping these horses.

RHT2004 03-01-2019 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1122649)
I like the Mott horse as well but have to agree. The horse I’m particularly interested in to beat the 1 is the 4 La Signare. Works show that she is in good shape and although there are a few early runners and she faded last time out, she probably needed a race under her belt since she hadn’t run since July.

Speaking of not running since July, that’s got to be the biggest concern with Chad’s horse. She’s run once in the last year and a half. Although obviously she fired off a long layoff in July and Chad has no problem prepping these horses.

I'm not a big fan. Lynch horses all work fast, I wouldn't put much stock into that.

RHT2004 03-01-2019 09:25 AM

I like a horse in the 12th. Guess who....

moses 03-01-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122650)
I'm not a big fan. Lynch horses all work fast, I wouldn't put much stock into that.

Hmm. I’ll have to re evaluate. May simply not try to beat the 1.

RHT2004 03-01-2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1122658)
Hmm. I’ll have to re evaluate. May simply not try to beat the 1.

Don't change anything based on me. To be honest if I was going to use another horse it would probably be the Lynch horse. Based on potential upside, probable trips and price. I'd probably use her over either outside horse. I can argue both sides of it regarding the 4.

moses 03-01-2019 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122659)
Don't change anything based on me. To be honest if I was going to use another horse it would probably be the Lynch horse. Based on potential upside, probable trips and price. I'd probably use her over either outside horse. I can argue both sides of it regarding the 4.

I’m just going to take another look. I’ve only began to glance at the Saturday races, been working on today’s card at Gulfstream.

moses 03-01-2019 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1122660)
I’m just going to take another look. I’ve only began to glance at the Saturday races, been working on today’s card at Gulfstream.

Edit: And embarrassed to admit I just noticed that Mucho is running in race 2. Will be worth watching.

moses 03-01-2019 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1122661)
Edit: And embarrassed to admit I just noticed that Mucho is running in race 2. Will be worth watching.

Mucho currently sitting at 4-1 as someone $12,000 in the win pool on Lutsky and only $2,000 on Mucho. Let’s see if this stays.

RHT2004 03-01-2019 11:59 AM

Did a Servis fan just drop 10k on Lutsky not knowing about the trainer change? He has a shot...

moses 03-01-2019 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122663)
Did a Servis fan just drop 10k on Lutsky not knowing about the trainer change? He has a shot...

I have Mucho as my A, Lutsky as my C, and none of the others even up for consideration. It’ll baffle me if Lutsky goes off below even money.

RHT2004 03-01-2019 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1122664)
I have Mucho as my A, Lutsky as my C, and none of the others even up for consideration. It’ll baffle me if Lutsky goes off below even money.

He's probably going to win, but Mucho will probably be better down the road. Lutsky wires him today.

declansharbor 03-01-2019 12:08 PM

Anyone have an idea of why Lutsky was transferred out of the Servis barn after the maiden romp??

Horses 1-4 have ALL been working lights out.

Awesome little race here.

moses 03-01-2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122666)
He's probably going to win, but Mucho will probably be better down the road. Lutsky wires him today.

Perhaps. I still like Mucho in this spot.

blackthroatedwind 03-01-2019 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1122667)
Anyone have an idea of why Lutsky was transferred out of the Servis barn after the maiden romp??

Horses 1-4 have ALL been working lights out.

Awesome little race here.

I have no idea but did notice a similar switch with another horse for these connections.

declansharbor 03-01-2019 12:16 PM

He could very well get DRUBBED here, but I just put $30 on the nose of Clement’s horse, the 5, off of that nice number at Tampa. Also did a $20 exacta 1-5

moses 03-01-2019 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1122671)
He could very well get DRUBBED here, but I just put $30 on the nose of Clement’s horse, the 5, off of that nice number at Tampa. Also did a $20 exacta 1-5

Had a shot. Nice hit on the exacta.

casp0555 03-01-2019 02:20 PM

Does anyone know if the FOY's wire is at the first finish line?

blackthroatedwind 03-01-2019 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1122693)
Does anyone know if the FOY's wire is at the first finish line?

I believe 1 1/16 are always the first wire. In fact, that was the reason they put it in.

RHT2004 03-01-2019 05:46 PM

Anyone have anything clever races 4-6? Im all ears.

blackthroatedwind 03-01-2019 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1122741)
Anyone have anything clever races 4-6? Im all ears.

Isn't Breaking the Rules in the 5th?

RHT2004 03-01-2019 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1122743)
Isn't Breaking the Rules in the 5th?

Yea. That's my point... pick 3 could pay about 8 bucks.


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