Who wants to see Bernardini LOSE?
 

Okay, I admit it, I want to see him lose. Maybe its because so many people are so sure he will win. Maybe because i think they will retire him after he wins. Maybe its because i now view the sheikhs as some sort of "evil empire". Maybe its because i want to go price hunting in the classic.

Regardless, i am going on record as hoping he will lose and also that i will be betting against him.

Anyone else on this bus?

it gonna be an empty one...but hey the more like you the more i make..

Thats cool. More power to you.

I'm going against him. Probably use him in exotics and pick 3s, etc. But I'll try to beat him from a win standpoint.

at last!!!! the thread i have been waiting for!!!!

i can say that no matter how i do at the windows.....this will be a great breeders' cup if that horse does not win. if he finishes off the board, it will be my favorite breeders cup ever.
then i hope he comes out of it 100% healthy for 2 reasons.
1) i never want to see any horse (even him) injured.
2) i don't want him to have any excuses.

i'll be driving that bus. gonna be nearly dark when they run the race. my people say he don't see so good at night.

albertani is a nice guy ..so im rooting for him..

Albertrani is a nice guy. Bernardini is a beautiful horse. All that being said...

I want to see him go down!

i will go on record as saying i don't think he's the sure thing many say he will be this saturday. it's a contentious field, as it should be. no lightly raced horses here, seasoned veterans all--well, almost all. bernardini is one of the most lightly raced horses running this wknd. hell, some of the juvies have more races under their belts than he does. shame he won't make double digits before heading to stud. one season. makes GZ look like a true veteran in hindsight.

Just so you can be different?? or from betting angle, not enough return??
and why do you think of sheikhs as "evil empire" would you say the same about coolmore operation?

I think his price will be short relative to accomplishment. This will be his first really good field on a surface that has been famous for being detested by certain horses. Thats from a betting standpoint.

As for the "evil empire" thing, it wasnt anything against the shiekhs or anything like that. It just seems that they have a monopoly on some really good horses. I root against Pletcher the same way.

And im not trying to be different. Im just not on the bandwagon. Bernardini is obviously a talented horse but i think and hope he loses. Simple as that.

lol, im sorry i find it funny, not a jab at ya. just funny !!!
okay, I can see your reasoning except for why do you think of sheikhs as "evil empire" would you say the same about coolmore operation? I dont like the fact that Sheikhs have access to best of the best and I dont,
same goes for Coolmore.

same thing as rooting against the yankees or the cowboys i'd imagine.

I am all about Lava Man, not against Dini. Tom A seems like a great guy, gotta love Dini's heart, etc..

If George doesnt win, I hope Bernardini wins it.. Though I just backed Invasor at 10-1 so i wouldnt be disappointed if he won it..

exactly! I hate the cowboys.

fair enough, i dont like pletcher either, dont know why? i havent put my finger on it though.

me too....

i'd like to see lava man win it. be nice to see horses who run more than a few times in their career get rewarded for their longevity....good thing that some owners believe 'what's best for the horse (oh please)' is different than others!

Nope, but I want to see Lava Man lose.

I hope somebody else wins, but I doubt it happens.

why???????

I don't really want to see bern lose...I want to see the best horses win, and I think he probably is the best horse....
But i would like to see Invasor win, i like this horse a lot and he feels a little bit like the red-headed stepchild in the darley stable

I love Bernardini and what to see him win. My problem is that I cannot separate him from the owners who are going to rush him off to stud. Thus, I am now rooting for the other Slews, Lava Man and longshot Suave. It would be delightful if a son of A.P. Indy wins, but it is SUAVE!:cool:

I would be screwed if he doesn't win, stone cold single on the whole day...

why would you be rooting against lava man? i mean we all know that bernardini is pure evil.....but what did a quality old gelding like lava man ever do to make you hate him.
i don't think he has a chance of hell in winning, but i like him.

Sure......
 

I wanna see him lose, umm if I'm playin bombs on my tickets besides him!

First off, this a thread based on one's emotion, which is individual. Secondly, I've always been one to like a horse who is either not liked or not respected by the masses on forum boards. Lava Man, as you can see from all of the responses on my reply, has been thrown in our faces like we HAVE to like him - I don't.

Initially I thought I didn't like the horse because of knowing someone who had a very bad dealing with Mr. O'Neil and his brother, but Great Hunter is growing on me, so I guess really don't hold a horses connections against him like others if I like the horse enough. In the end, I just don't like Lava Man. Of course I don't wish ill upon him.

There are so many good reasons to hate the Cowboys, but not Bernardini.

Damn straight I hope he loses if it means he will run again. Maybe he gets an absolutely horrid trip, stumbled start, caught in traffic, bumped, etc... and comes out in perfect shape, seething to go again. They cant contain him because all involved with the horse know he wants to run again. He refuses to breed unless they let him run for another year or two. Good stuff.

Cant root against Dini, but I'd like 2/1 a whole lot, so if a lotta people wanna play against, thats fine. The only reason I would not want to see him win is that IF he wins and IF he retires all of the internet message board bull**** of his place in history will be a HUGE pain in the ass.

I'm also with Sightseek that I really dont like Lava Man either...

I love this thread and hope the anti-Bernie bus is loaded with money against him. TA said this is the best horse he's ever been around and that includes CIGAR. He does everything so easy. I wish him a HUGE and SAFE run and then maybe he can get the credit he deserves. And Invasor is owned by Bernie's owner's bro. so I don't get the evil empire stuff.

I find it laughable that someone would actually imply that this horse doesnt get "the credit he deserves". What more credit do you want the horse to have? Perhaps we should erect temples and shrines devoted to praising his otherworldly gifts. Perhaps there should be ten biographies written in the next few months dedicated to telling the inside story about this wonderhorse that changed all of our lives.

all I hear is "he hasn't been challenged", "horses run their best numbers when they have easy races", etc etc etc.

The lack of respect he gets is demonstrated by this thread.

I'll give him credit when he faces these 2, and gets hooked.Isn't it amazing how there are 3 good horses in the country,and just so happens that they've never met(but nevermind that cuz we already have crowned a king.)

I have been on Bernardini Bus before Preakness. Also, I agree with TA the best three year old didnt run the Derby. Now BCC, well I want Dini to win but I also like Lava Man, Invasor, and Perfect Drift. So, any one of them wins, I am happy !!! I could care less about the connections and their future plans.

Actually, this thread does the contrary if you really think about it. My initial post said not one disparaging word about the horse. All it said was that i hope he loses. The fact that anyone would make a thread hoping that one horse would lose is a testament to how much hype this horse receives. Do you think if i created a thread entitled "who hopes fleet indian loses" it would generate any type of response? Of course it wouldnt.

People trying to find reasons to beat the odds on favorite is a big part of handicapping. If the only holes one can find are the ones that you listed above, it is a testament to the respect the horse receives. If all you hear are these "criticisms", then perhaps i can list out the 2000 threads and responses over the last few months proclaiming this horse the greatest thing since wheat bread. Or the 200 news articles.

Like I said good luck and bet plenty of money against him.

I have all the respect in the world for the horse. I have stated why I have this wall up around him. I don't know why I haven't fallen head over heels for this horse. I don't know what it is. He has impressed me with his runs so far. Everyone seems to be hailing him as a superstar. I just want to see more before I jump on that bandwagon. Not knocking the horse, just saying that I want to see more before I hail him a superstar.


But yes, I do want to see him lose. DRIFTY RULES!!!:D :)

That's all you see on here? I'd say the majority on here are happily licking his sack,and putting everything they can on him.Sure thing(just like when the chalkhounds were getting a rush off singling Cambiocorsa.)

from handicapping stand point, I agree.

OK, now that was funny! :)