Pegasus '18 ~ Gun Runner (4-5) from 10 hole
 

Quite an interesting piece from Bob Ehalt casting doubt on Pegasus for '18.

https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/a...plans-pegasus/

Why there’s uncertainty in the air over plans for the Pegasus
Bob Ehalt

Apparently even the world’s richest horse race is not immune from a ‘sophomore slump’.

With the second edition of the now $16 million Pegasus World Cup about four months away, the Stronach Group’s ground-breaking race is currently facing a bout of growing pains. Several original stakeholders have pulled out – with one of them likening the experience to a ‘used-car sales job’ – and even its most fervent backers are uncertain of what to expect on Jan. 27, when the race is contested at Gulfstream Park.

“As far as I know, and it has been a bit quiet, the race is still on,” said Dean Reeves, an original stakeholder who anted up a $200,000 down payment for a spot in the 2018 race by the Sept. 1 deadline. “I haven’t asked how many people are in and I don’t know where everything stands. But, from my past conversations with [Stronach Chief Operating Officer] Tim Ritvo, they will have 12 horses and it’s going forward. I think they have a lot of irons in the fire and need time to sort everything out, but that’s just conjecture on my part.

Looking forward to the Donn Handicap in 2019. May even go to see it.....

It was an interesting concept. I give them credit for trying something completely out of the box.

I agree with Freddymo. I admire people who try things. The Breeder's Cup is an example. Some fail, but a try always helps. Effort and trials have produced what we have now. Look at "Win and your In". Timing of races, big days. It's a constant evolution, which is good.

I'm OK with all of it. It was a big event. If it's not sustainable, than it can go back to the Donn and be a GR1 and nice event and day. Worth a try.

Interested in OZ tonight doing their own concept of this. See how that goes. Not sure the concept is bad at all, maybe at a lesser amount.

Hey that put seats on sale today for Peg '18 who knows maybe its a go?

It was a 100 dollar admission just to get in??
Yup, that will work...

Nine slots sold for Pegasus World Cup
By Matt Hegarty

Gun Runner (Winchell/Three Chimneys)
Collected (Speedway)
West Coast (West)
Gunnevera (Peacock Racing)
Seeking the Soul (Fipke)
Toast of New York (Al Shaqab/Reeves)
War Story (Loooch)
Stellar Wind (Coolmore)
TBD (Stronach)

Expected..
Sharp Azteca (New owner pending)

Horsemen play ‘Let's Make a Deal' before Pegasus deadline
By Matt Hegarty

I find it amazing that basically nobody is discussing this race honestly. It is NOT a $16 million race. It does NOT cost $1 million for a spot. It cost $350K for a spot. As of now, eight spots have been sold for $350K, or a total of $2.8 million. Add that to the $4 million of added money, and you have a $6.8 million race. Stronach Group claiming they are buying the other four spots makes no sense. I thought the deadline for buying a spot was this past week. I guess if Stronach wants to put up another $1.4 million and give out four more spots, it's their prerogative, and that money can be added to the pool, making it an $8.2 million race. That is the maximum it's worth. This "everyone gets at least $650K back" should not be recognized as part of the purse.

Stronach Group is putting up a ton of money for this race and they should be applauded for that. However, that doesn't buy them the right to create a fraudulent purse. The Jockey Club cannot recognize the $650K "earned" by the also rans. What's next, the KY Derby advertised as a $500 million race, with each entrant supposedly anteing up $25 million to run, with all starters guaranteed $24.9 million in earnings? Will the Jockey Club then have 20 horses that annually earn in excess of $25 million? How is this different?

Let's celebrate the race as a generous outlay by the Stronach Group that is a present to racing fans. But, let's not call it something it's not.

Probably a lot of people agree with you and the lack of discussion is complete apathy towards the race. I’m sure the trolls would be out in force on Twitter if there was general disagreement to what you are saying.

Franky should spent some of that money to buy a decent timer for GP - which has been an embarrassment to racing for many years now.

To me, it is a 2-bit race.

:tro::tro: !

Giant Expectations added to the field..

1. Gun Runner (Winchell/Three Chimneys) Asmussen/Geroux
2. Collected (Speedway) Baffert/Smith
3. West Coast (West) Baffert/Castellano
4. Gunnevera (Peacock Racing) Sano/Saez
5. Seeking the Soul (Fipke) Stewart/J. Velazquez
6. Toast of New York (Al Shaqab/Reeves) Osbourne/Dettori
7. War Story (Loooch) Navarro/J. Ortiz
8. Stellar Wind (Coolmore) C. Brown/Rosario
9. Fear the Cowboy (Stronach, Frankel & Frankel, Amayo & Centofanti) Loza/Gaffalione
10. Giant Expectations (Exline-Border, Gatto & Zubok) Eurton/Stevens
11. Sharp Azteca (Loooch) Navarro/I. Ortiz Jr.
12. Open ~ Singing Bullet/Giuseppe the Great/J Boys Echo

TBD should be a real doozy.

At least TBD will end up among the leading money earners in 2018 following his last place finish.

Paul

What if TBD turns out to be Winx?

Running Winx in this race would be incredible.

Giant Expectation will be heading to the Donnroids..Really liked him in the Haynesfield.

they tried last year, but get her into the race this will turn out to be a real spectacle worldwide, surprised Godolphin hasn't had a runner or pointed anyone for the race.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/superra...428d047ed75fa4

Yeah, it's shocking that Godolphin isn't supporting a race that pretends to be worth more than the Dubai World Cup.

This is actually looking like an OK betting race.
If Sharp Azteca goes that would be a big plus.
In terms of the Stronach entry,if he sticks to his Adena runners it almost has to be Ice Festival.........off price probably around 75-1 with this bunch.

Deals in place on 2 of 3 Stronach-retained slots..
http://www.drf.com/news/stronach-gro...-pegasus-slots

Fear the Cowboy set to take 3rd of the open slots.. Singing Bullet appears poised to be the Stronach runner.. Stellar Wind doing better and better and looks to be a go..

How could Singing Bullet not run after that scintillating prep?

He makes Fear the Cowboy look like Hindoo.

Gun Runner (Winchell/Three Chimneys)
2. Collected (Speedway)
3. West Coast (West)
4. Gunnevera (Peacock Racing)
5. Seeking the Soul (Fipke)
6. Toast of New York (Al Shaqab/Reeves)
7. War Story (Loooch)
8. Stellar Wind (Coolmore)
9. Singing Bullet (Stronach) ~ Likely
10. Giant Expectations (Exline-Border, Gatto & Zubok)
11. Sharp Azteca (Loooch)
12. Fear the Cowboy (Amayo & Centofanti)


How many can win The Donn? 3 IMO, Gun Runner 3/10 West Coast 12/1 and Stellar Wind 25/1...

The bottom end is the bottom of the barrel for a G1 race. Other than that, I think this race is more than a little bit interesting...mostly because SA is in. Don’t necessarily think he can win, and GP isn’t the best place to try to win at 1 1/8th on the lead in my betting experience, but he is a running motherf#%*er and will have an affect.

Stellar Wind can win? Sheesh

It is certainly difficult envisioning a scenario where she can win. I'd honestly have a really hard time betting her to beat War Story or Gunnereva.

Unless Gun Runner has a crap day, which is unlikely as his training suggests, they are all running for second. Id be very surprised if Steller Wind gets in superfecta against these horses. Seems way over matched here.

I would happily take a price on either or both of those.

Ill bet West Coast. He is probably not good enough, but he's the one who can still move forward IMO.

I think her best races are good enough and first-time Chad does not suck. She is an excellent horse on her best day, sure Gun Runner is way the horse to beat but of the rest, I would take a shot with her at 25/1 before Collected at 7/1.

MOST LIKELY WINNER
1. Gun Runner (Winchell/Three Chimneys)
3. West Coast (West)
8. Stellar Wind (Coolmore) ~ Anticipated
11. Sharp Azteca (New owner pending) ~ Expected

ON A GOOD DAY
2. Collected (Speedway)
5. Seeking the Soul (Fipke)
10. Giant Expectations (Exline-Border
12. Fear the Cowboy


NOT A CHANCE
6. Toast of New York (Al Shaqab/Reeves)
7. War Story (Loooch)
4. Gunnevera (Peacock Racing)
9. Singing Bullet

1. Gun Runner (Winchell/Three Chimneys) Asmussen/Geroux
2. Collected (Speedway) Baffert/Smith
3. West Coast (West) Baffert/Castellano
4. Gunnevera (Peacock Racing) Sano/Saez
5. Seeking the Soul (Fipke) Stewart/J. Velazquez
6. Toast of New York (Al Shaqab/Reeves) Osbourne/Dettori
7. War Story (Loooch) Navarro/J. Ortiz
8. Stellar Wind (Coolmore) C. Brown/Rosario
9. Fear the Cowboy (Stronach, Frankel & Frankel, Amayo & Centofanti) Loza/Gaffalione
10. Giant Expectations (Exline-Border, Gatto & Zubok) Eurton/Stevens
11. Sharp Azteca (Loooch) Navarro/I. Ortiz Jr.
12. Singing Bullet (The Stronach Group) Romans/Albarado

I know I cant be the only one that thinks this race sets up differently than the BCC for Gun Runner because of the early zip that's sure to be shown by Sharp Azteca (amongst others, seemingly).

This is not at all saying Gun Runner won't excel with the stalk and pounce trip, but the chase and fade trip can't fully be dismissed either. While he'll be on top of 95% of my tickets, I will also be playing the scenario that benefits a few of the closers, while keying GR and West Coast in 3rd and 4th.

Hope everyone enjoys themselves and makes some money this weekend!

And the 12th Peg Goose is... Singing Bullet.

So Rich Daddy, Flowers for Lisa, and Conquest Windycity weren't available?

Collected is the bet at anywhere near his BC price...

Collected was gutted in the BC chasing a horse he’ll never catch. You should get 3x his price that day. You won’t. But you should.