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Kasept 07-20-2017 09:31 AM

7/22-23 (DMR): Read, San Diego (G2's); San Clemente (G2), Wickerr
 



10 pnt move up 07-20-2017 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1095269)



Hard to believe there isnt any east coast turf horses (Eddie Read) who feel like this is a race they could win.

RolloTomasi 07-20-2017 10:50 AM

Ashleyluvssugar is better at middle distances than he is at marathons. He settles better and has a remarkable turn of foot.

Kenjisstorm should be closer to the pace this time 'round. With only Mr. Roary to contend with early, he should hold on for second.

Alabama Stakes 07-20-2017 01:39 PM

Cat Burglar may give the big hoss a run for his money. He looks superduper.

ateamstupid 07-20-2017 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1095275)
Cat Burglar may give the big hoss a run for his money. He looks superduper.

LMAO what??? Cat Burglar???

The only horse who could've given Arrogate a challenge off the plane is someone like Midnight Storm.

South Beach Luv 07-20-2017 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 1095275)
Cat Burglar may give the big hoss a run for his money. He looks superduper.

Was at Del Mar for his first race.
The day before Jill invited my wife (and me) to the backside to see Game on Dude and others. Bob told me that Cat Burglar couldn't lose and to bet on him.
So I tell Tom (Scavs) and others to single him in multis and of course he goes off at even $ and runs midpack :D :o
Wild Dude actually won that race, he turned out ok.

Kasept 07-20-2017 06:08 PM




RHT2004 07-22-2017 04:55 PM

I think Arrogate will probably win today.

10 pnt move up 07-22-2017 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095608)
I think Arrogate will probably win today.

isnt there something about grade 1 horses being in grade 2 races in comeback races...

maybe that was a long time ago kind of thing.

track is playing a little interesting compared to the first 3 days.

RHT2004 07-22-2017 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1095621)
isnt there something about grade 1 horses being in grade 2 races in comeback races...

maybe that was a long time ago kind of thing.

track is playing a little interesting compared to the first 3 days.

I was joking around. I think he is far and away the best we have. Much better then Gun Runner who has gotten great, says even more about how good Arrogate really is.
I could see him just cantering around today, never asked at all. Like when he won the allowance race before the Travers. Not the most visually impressive but a good comeback.

10 pnt move up 07-22-2017 07:46 PM

jeeesh...Baffert seemed like he was nervous in that interview. Pressure can do that I suppose.

RHT2004 07-22-2017 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1095669)
jeeesh...Baffert seemed like he was nervous in that interview. Pressure can do that I suppose.

It seemed like a confident nervousness.

10 pnt move up 07-22-2017 08:07 PM

And thats why they run the race.......holy ****, unreal

RHT2004 07-22-2017 08:08 PM

Might be time to give this game up. That was sad.

10 pnt move up 07-22-2017 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095675)
Might be time to give this game up. That was sad.

I agree, sad.

Horses run bad but that was not the horse i had seen.

robfla 07-22-2017 08:09 PM

Over 1 million to show.

RHT2004 07-22-2017 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1095676)
I agree, sad.

Horses run bad but that was not the horse i had seen.

No i mean like sad. I am sad. I almost teared up. Never felt like this before.
That was hard to watch. Im guessing he is retired within 48 hours.

helicopter11 07-22-2017 08:23 PM

Baffert/Smith did Del Mar a huge favor finishing fourth. They will both be rewarded at the Breeders Cup at Del Mar later this year.

RHT2004 07-22-2017 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 1095681)
Baffert/Smith did Del Mar a huge favor finishing fourth. They will both be rewarded at the Breeders Cup at Del Mar later this year.

As much as I hate to say it, thats highly unlikely. That wasnt the same animal.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-22-2017 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095678)
No i mean like sad. I am sad. I almost teared up. Never felt like this before.
That was hard to watch. Im guessing he is retired within 48 hours.

The bubble burst ..... gotta :{>: those Unbridled Song offspring ;) wouldn't be surprised if it was his last race

RHT2004 07-22-2017 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 1095683)
The bubble burst ..... gotta :{>: those Unbridled Song offspring ;) wouldn't be surprised if it was his last race

Are you happy?

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-22-2017 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095684)
Are you happy?

Happy about what???? it was disappointing, but THAT'S HORSE RACING! You read too much into everyone's posts:rolleyes:

RHT2004 07-22-2017 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 1095685)
Happy about what???? it was disappointing, but THAT'S HORSE RACING! You read too much into everyone's posts:rolleyes:

I was just asking. No biggie really.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-22-2017 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095686)
I was just asking. No biggie really.

Wish I had wagered in the place & show spots with everyone else! :$: VERY surprised they offered show wagering

RHT2004 07-22-2017 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 1095687)
Wish I had wagered in the place & show spots with everyone else! :$: VERY surprised they offered show wagering

Some people on twitter say the fix was in. Ill never buy that. And some clown named Chip is arguing to Tammaro that Arrogate is not that good. Thats insane.

10 pnt move up 07-22-2017 08:34 PM

I tell you what, this game will humble you on so many levels. Tests your fortitude all through the sport.

A month ago Baffert could do no wrong.....now, wont be shocked if loses tomorrow as well.

Makes you appreciate just how hard it is to always fire your best shot.

declansharbor 07-22-2017 08:41 PM

It was clear as day he wasn't winning as they were entering the far turn but it looked like Smith & Arrogate hit a brick WALL just as they straightened in the stretch. Hope he scopes clean and comes back firing like his old self in the Pac Classic.

Watching a few replays of his a couple of weeks ago after one of his works, I noticed that he might not have reeled in Chrome in the BCC last year if Smith didn't go to the right hand stick mid stretch. He definitely reacted well to that right stick and surged past CC, but without it, Im not too sure he gets past Chrome. Stands out in the replay, I watched the stretch run about 10 times that day.

Let's hope he returns to his champion ways and that Baffert is just cursed in the SD Hcp, because that was OOGLY.

declansharbor 07-22-2017 08:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_WxcNirNDM

RHT2004 07-22-2017 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1095693)

This is clutter.

3kings 07-22-2017 08:54 PM

Even though the rest of the sequence was chalky, I was suprised the P4 only payed $425.

RHT2004 07-22-2017 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings (Post 1095695)
Even though the rest of the sequence was chalky, I was suprised the P4 only payed $425.

Seems a bit light. With the big fields surrounding the San Diego.

10 pnt move up 07-22-2017 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095696)
Seems a bit light. With the big fields surrounding the San Diego.

Trifecta seems light as well.

pointman 07-22-2017 09:25 PM

I would not get crazy here. The horse ran so bad it seemed like he may have been sick. I am sure they checked him top to bottom after the race. Seems to me something went wrong here.

Dunbar 07-23-2017 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 1095687)
Wish I had wagered in the place & show spots with everyone else! :$: VERY surprised they offered show wagering

Unlike the NY tracks, the California tracks always offer show wagering in 5-horse races, even with a huge favorite running.

Kasept 07-23-2017 01:26 PM

Arrogate will rebound in Pacific Classic, Baffert says
By Jay Privman

Arrogate will 'be ready for the Pacific Classic,' trainer Bob Baffert said Sunday.

DEL MAR, Calif. – The morning after Arrogate’s stunning loss in the San Diego Handicap, the worst performance of the brilliant colt’s career, trainer Bob Baffert said the horse had come out of the race well, and that he expected Arrogate to rebound in the Grade 1, $1 million Pacific Classic on Aug. 19, for which the San Diego is a prep.

“He looks good today. That’s the most important thing,” Baffert said Sunday morning. “He was flat. He didn’t run his race. We’ll re-load.

“He’ll be fine. He’ll be ready for the Pacific Classic.”

Baffert put the blame on himself for Arrogate’s performance, saying he hadn’t trained Arrogate aggressively enough. He also questioned his decision to not work Arrogate earlier in the week over Del Mar’s surface.

“I thought I had done enough to get him through,” Baffert said. “I’m disappointed he didn’t run well.”

Arrogate had been sympathetically weighted in the race, at 126 pounds. Baffert stopped by the racing office Sunday morning and joked with Tom Robbins, the track’s executive vice-president for racing, and David Jerkens, the racing secretary, that he “wish they’d given him 135, so I’d have that as an excuse.”

The complexion of the 1 1/4-mile Pacific Classic likely will change as a result of the San Diego, which Accelerate won by 8 1/2 lengths while earning a career-best Beyer Speed Figure of 109. Far more horses are now likely to run in the Pacific Classic now that Arrogate’s aura of invincibility – deservedly earned after fast, dynamic victories in the Travers, Breeders’ Cup Classic, Pegasus World Cup, and Dubai World Cup -- has been shattered.

The Pacific Classic is a dress rehearsal for this year’s Breeders’ Cup Classic, as this year’s Breeders’ Cup will be run at Del Mar on Nov. 3-4. The Pacific Classic also is a “Win and You’re In” race for the Breeders’ Cup Classic, offering a fees-paid berth to the Breeders’ Cup’s richest race.

cakes44 07-23-2017 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar (Post 1095732)
Unlike the NY tracks, the California tracks always offer show wagering in 5-horse races, even with a huge favorite running.

Hello! I like it.

10 pnt move up 07-23-2017 06:18 PM

Finally we see a second class grass horse from the east coast ship in for a graded stake. I wish she had a running style more condusive for this race cause it looks like a lot of pace.

I think, depending on price, I will take the euro shipper. She has pace as well and should not be too far back and while I respect sircat sally she really did catch some soft fields and sweet pace setups at SA.

10 pnt move up 07-23-2017 07:07 PM

Tremendous effort by the Clement horse who did all the work, a bit aggressive on the ride maybe.

Thought DVD had Sircat Sally too far back and out of her comfort zone.

Euro horse was just dead on board, I still bet her, oh well. Never could have had the winner.


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