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ninetoone 07-08-2017 08:49 PM

Practical Joke
 
Is it me, or were the odds on PJ holding at 6/5 leading up to the race & even entering the gate (with Battalion Runner at even money) and then dropped to 4/5 and then 3/5 during the race? I know this happens from time to time, but I hadn't seen it in a while in a big race.

10 pnt move up 07-08-2017 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 1094572)
Is it me, or were the odds on PJ holding at 6/5 leading up to the race & even entering the gate (with Battalion Runner at even money) and then dropped to 4/5 and then 3/5 during the race? I know this happens from time to time, but I hadn't seen it in a while in a big race.

Yea, must have been some very large bets late in the wagering cause I saw the same thing.

blackthroatedwind 07-08-2017 10:11 PM

Interestingly, if you could bet a quarter mile into the race, given the tepid pace, his odds would have gone up.

ninetoone 07-08-2017 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1094575)
Interestingly, if you could bet a quarter mile into the race, given the tepid pace, his odds would have gone up.

I concur 100%.

I was just curious to know what size bet(s) it took to move that line after 30 minutes of holding steady. I don't have a good grasp of the handles, etc.

10 pnt move up 07-08-2017 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1094575)
Interestingly, if you could bet a quarter mile into the race, given the tepid pace, his odds would have gone up.

to bad it never seems to work like that

blackthroatedwind 07-08-2017 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1094578)
to bad it never seems to work like that

He's way too much horse for that field. WAY too much.

He's been running in the wrong races for the right reasons....and over performing.

gamblin4ever 07-11-2017 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1094579)
He's way too much horse for that field. WAY too much.

He's been running in the wrong races for the right reasons....and over performing.

I hope the connections keep him as a miler type.

blackthroatedwind 07-11-2017 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gamblin4ever (Post 1094708)
I hope the connections keep him as a miler type.

He's running in the Haskell next. It's the right race for a few reasons.

ateamstupid 07-11-2017 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1094709)
He's running in the Haskell next. It's the right race for a few reasons.

I'll bite. What are those reasons?

RHT2004 07-11-2017 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1094710)
I'll bite. What are those reasons?

If he fails you are cutting back for the Kings Bishop. Has Classic Empire even worked in weeks? Im not a PJ fan but he looks like a 5-2 shot unless Bob ships.

blackthroatedwind 07-11-2017 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1094710)
I'll bite. What are those reasons?

Besides being under 4:1 in a $1 million Grade 1 race, and at worst using it to cut back to the Allen Jerkens ( ex-King's Bishop )?

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I am shocked by the number of smart people I see that handicap by reading between the lines, yet seem to have trouble doing it with topics around here.

ateamstupid 07-11-2017 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1094713)
Besides being under 4:1 in a $1 million Grade 1 race, and at worst using it to cut back to the Allen Jerkens ( ex-King's Bishop )?

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I am shocked by the number of smart people I see that handicap by reading between the lines, yet seem to have trouble doing it with topics around here.

:rolleyes:

You're purposefully cryptic, I indulge you by asking you to explain what you mean after saying all year that Practical Joke had no business in two-turn races, and you use it as an excuse to insult my comprehension. Always great to talk.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-11-2017 05:17 PM

nothing wrong with a versatile horse :) he reminds me of Gun Runner a bit, eight & half furlongs is his max

RHT2004 07-11-2017 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 1094715)
nothing wrong with a versatile horse :) he reminds me of Gun Runner a bit, eight & half furlongs is his max

Gun Runner just kept improving. I guess it makes some sense if your talking this exact time last year.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-11-2017 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1094716)
Gun Runner just kept improving. I guess it makes some sense if your talking this exact time last year.

PJ is consistent just like GR ....... and NEITHER want a mile & a quarter ;)

RHT2004 07-11-2017 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 1094717)
PJ is consistent just like GR ....... and NEITHER want a mile & a quarter ;)

Im not a huge Gun Runner guy, but other then Arrogate who is getting close to him at 10f? His last 4 races have been huge and nothing about his DWC says he doesn't want 10f.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-11-2017 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1094718)
Im not a huge Gun Runner guy, but other then Arrogate who is getting close to him at 10f? His last 4 races have been huge and nothing about his DWC says he doesn't want 10f.

That was GR best effort at 10f ..... and STILL hasn't won at the distance

RHT2004 07-11-2017 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 1094719)
That was GR best effort at 10f ..... and STILL hasn't won at the distance

You're making me defend GR. Isn't it circumstantial for GR? His 3 10f races are the Kentucky Derby, Travers and DWC and he ran 3rd, 3rd and 2nd. Losing to Arrogate 2x. What in that sample says he doesn't want 10f? Especially if you believe he has improved a ton since the Travers. I believe he has.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-11-2017 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1094721)
You're making me defend GR. Isn't it circumstantial for GR? His 3 10f races are the Kentucky Derby, Travers and DWC and he ran 3rd, 3rd and 2nd. Losing to Arrogate 2x. What in that sample says he doesn't want 10f? Especially if you believe he has improved a ton since the Travers. I believe he has.

You SHOULD defend him :p he's a HONEST runner ...... but STILL misses that elusive 10f :)

blackthroatedwind 07-11-2017 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 1094722)
You SHOULD defend him :p he's a HONEST runner ...... but STILL misses that elusive 10f :)

This is almost as bad as the foolish argument that Medaglia D'Oro didn't run well at 1 1/4 miles just because despite running some of the best races of his career at the distance, he often finished second at 10 furlongs.

If it wasn't for Arrogate, he would have galloped in the Dubai World Cup. He has also clearly improved beginning with his late races in 2016.

RHT2004 07-11-2017 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1094723)
This is almost as bad as the foolish argument that Medaglia D'Oro didn't run well at 1 1/4 miles just because despite running some of the best races of his career at the distance, he often finished second at 10 furlongs.

If it wasn't for Arrogate, he would have galloped in the Dubai World Cup. He has also clearly improved beginning with his late races in 2016.

Always copying me......

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-11-2017 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1094723)
This is almost as bad as the foolish argument that Medaglia D'Oro didn't run well at 1 1/4 miles just because despite running some of the best races of his career at the distance, he often finished second at 10 furlongs.

If it wasn't for Arrogate, he would have galloped in the Dubai World Cup. He has also clearly improved beginning with his late races in 2016.

Like I SAID :rolleyes: he's an honest runner, just like PJ ....... BUT, until Gun Runner gets 10f, there be his detractors ;) which I am NOT one! Maybe he'll get it this year, one can only hope! :D

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-11-2017 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1094724)
Always copying me......

great minds think alike ...... ????

blackthroatedwind 07-11-2017 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 1094726)
great minds think alike ...... ????

There are plenty of dopier people on the internet than him. Plenty.

He also actually owns it when he's wrong.

RHT2004 07-11-2017 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff (Post 1094726)
great minds think alike ...... ????

That's what i usually roll with.

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-11-2017 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1094727)
There are plenty of dopier people on the internet than him. Plenty.

He also actually owns it when he's wrong.

Same here pal!

Hickory Hill Hoff 07-11-2017 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1094728)
That's what i usually roll with.

:tro:

RHT2004 07-11-2017 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1094727)
There are plenty of dopier people on the internet than him. Plenty.

He also actually owns it when he's wrong.

I was wrong all day Belmont Oaks day. It happens. Grown to learn that.

10 pnt move up 07-11-2017 06:58 PM

I dont even know what there is to run in if he doesnt run in the Haskell. I mean with CC in the Jim Dandy there isnt much else in terms of prestige and money to take the time to run in.

The race also could set up really well for him with American Anthem and Classic Empire in the race.

blackthroatedwind 07-11-2017 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1094732)
I dont even know what there is to run in if he doesnt run in the Haskell. I mean with CC in the Jim Dandy there isnt much else in terms of prestige and money to take the time to run in.

The race also could set up really well for him with American Anthem and Classic Empire in the race.


He could train up to the Allen Jerkens ( aka King's Bishop ).

I'll believe Classic Empire is in there when I see it.

cmorioles 07-12-2017 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1094733)
He could train up to the Allen Jerkens ( aka King's Bishop ).

Please, no. This is how we wind up with all these five horse stakes races.


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