again cancelled
 

New York,New York............

I just heard. Sorry to hear about the weather in New York. I hope it gets better soon.

It is really windy out. The horses were all over the track in the first. Whatever.

Well horse safety comes first. There will always be another day to wager on THe Big A. However, I did like this card.

Yes. The double is 4-ALL.

Scuds it's worse here today than it was yesterday.In fact by 11 am yesterday the winds had died down and it just rained off and on.Today the winds are much nastier.They shouldn't of started today

They should have continued racing. Not getting into it but the jockeys basically think it is all about them and cancelled on a day that was no worse than many. Too bad for all the horseplayers that prepared for the day, too bad for those in attendance, too bad for the trainers and their help that readied their horses for today's races, too bad for the owners that paid the bills and were trying to help pay their costs and too bad for anyone else because the jockeys sit on an island. But we should help pay their medical coverage?

Do you ride? If not, you have no clue as to what it entails to ride in gusty, nasty weather... ;)

I think the jocks have figured out that New York breds are the 1st to find the ground(regardless of how.)They don't want any part of getting on them in the wind.

I know a lot more about this situation than you do. Just as I know a lot more about why you dog my posts than you think I do.

Actually, I don't dog your posts. Please pull up where I have dogged your posts. :confused: Some of them are quite informative...

THIS particular one was inaccurate in my opinion and since it seems that opinions run rampant on this message board, I'm entitled to mine as well. As for what you're referring to, I know some things about YOU as well, but unlike you, I didn't feel the need to bring that up.

I'm assuming you live here in the metropolitan area.I spend quite a bit of time at JFK for business where the crosswinds can almost lift you off you're feet and Aqueduct is a stones throw away.There are no skyscrapers too block that wind.As far as attendance is concerned they can't even get 3500 at Belmont on a summer day,and i'm sure the extra hour of sleep didn't put into peoples mind to go to Aqueduct.I still like the days when there was no winter racing here in NY.I don't touch winter racing because you can't handicap for 15 degree weather with a wind chill of zero,but then again i really don't touch NY racing period because of the nonsense and i'm as NY as anyone you'll ever meet.

Knowing what another poster sends you in a PM hardly qualifies as knowing anything about me. What it really does is tell you about the person who sent it. Considering the only personal friend I have on this site is Steve, and I am confident he didn't discuss me with you, anything you heard was heresay and likely the jealous rantings of a wannabe. I'm used to it.

As far as this particular situation, if you actually knew anything accurate about me, you could assume I do have some actual knowledge of what went down and that is what enabled me to have the strong opinion I posted.

I live about 75 miles from both Belmont and Aqueduct(using different routes). My home is is in Northwestern New Jersey, in the MOUNTAINS! Even with the Kittatinny Mountains along the Appalachian Trail buffering us, it is one windy day. My husband had calls all morning cancelling an outdoor dog training session. Trees are down in the woods on our property. Even my cats want to stay inside! The German shepherd dogs cannot get back soon enough. The wind is a fierce one today.:(

Because the attendance is slight is not a reason to treat the few that do come poorly. In fact, if anything, they deserve special treatment.

No doubt the wind conditions out there are bad, I have probably spent close to 800 afternoons at the Big A, and winter racing is tough. However, the jockeys have signed on to race here during the winter, so it seems that if they feel it is really necessary to cancel they should do it prudently. Otherwise it can become a " boy who cried wolf " scenerio.

My problem is not caring about riders safety, as I do, but really that more and more the riders are showing that, as a group, they have little interest in any concerns other than their own. Racing is in trouble and the jockeys are refusing to try and be part of the solution. In fact, considering the recent actions of the guild, it seems they are more determined to be part of the problem.

I have close friends who ride, and I have the utmost respect for them, and certainly not everybody is acting completely in their own selfish best interests. However, I wish the riders would find a voice that paints them in a better light and finds a way to unite as opposed to their current position.

My feeling is that you should never have to pay for admission or parking, for the simple fact when is the last time you went to the track to watch 9.I've been going to the races since 1973 and i remember that they used to have a mailing list where they would send vouchers for parking,admission or a free program (the old style).The plight of racing here in NY is self inflicted by greed and other circumstance.I used to do business with Aramark who had the concessions at tracks and i would go thru the NYRA office and everybodys relative was on the payroll.It was pathetic.Last year for the breeders cup at Belmont on WFAN which is the sports station here, there were more ads to come out to the Meadowlands for that day than Belmont.They do a poor job of marketing this sport not just here but in general.

Nobody sent me anything about you via PM (with the exception of one person who IS considered your friend.) But whatever, Andy... you've obviously made your mind up about me before you even knew me. Your loss...

So, why not enlighten the people to what you know? You talk about hear say but how can we discern your being accurate when you dont even give an inkling of what you know.

When you dont say anything substantive other than 'this is crap, whatever' (verbatim), how can anyone take you seriously? What you say you know is hear say to anyone else unless you shed some light on it, and if you dont, you sound like you are just expressing some form of sour grapes.

If you know something, say something.

It really isn't about you at all and I apologize if I was out of line with you before. However, just so you are VERY clear about this, Steve is my ONLY personal friend that posts on this site. ELA is the only other that knows me personally at all. So, be wary of those that are representing themselves as my friends.

btw does happen to know of what he speaks...unless you work with the drf id just let this go..lol

That is the first time I have seen a post go through...Hooves post at 11:45 PST? Unless he cancelled it What gives??

I meant not go through...and there it pops up 20 mins later! Huh?

Ok, racing's in trouble and the riders as a group are not part of the solution, you say. I'm curious what, say, three or four key things can the riders do as a group?

And if, as I take your comments, the riders as a group so not speak with one voice, what do you make of the NY traners? Many of their board membersl seem to have no trouble voicing opinions and issuing support regarding the franchise, but they are nowhere near unity. In fact, several of the trainers' board members have ties through client/owners to NYRA board mambers.

I'd be pleasantly surprised if there is anything non-monetary the jocks are in position to do that meaningfully improves the sport from any perspective. Strikes me there's more to be done from the NY trainers end as a group.

DD what gives
 

what bothers me is why NYRA did not refund D/D wagers but paid a consulation, is that fair?

It's no different than having the winner of the first and you're horse is a late scratch in the 2nd.All they did in essence was scratch the whole 2nd race.

played 4-7/2-4-7, but the race wasn't run. why not pay the pick 6?

Because the pik 6 starts in the 3rd race.

wht not, i bet the double and they didn't run the 2nd race. is it fair to bettors is my question. i'd be happy with a refund.

thats not what i bet a 12.60 conso, I bet doubles and they didn't run the race
seems too me if the race you bet on doesn;t run you should get your money back

I have been in situations in the jocks room where weather conditions are a concern wether it be driving wind and rain to the bottom being frozen under a soaked track.
Management comes into play alot of the time when riders have meetings with them BEFORE the races, usually managements stance is ride the first and see if the conditions are ok, when deep down they really know its not ok they just want to see if they can get jocks to ride.

no wonder I never hit the pick 6

my question is the race wans't run, it's not like a late scratch. why not pay the pick 3 and the pick 6. i got paid off!!!!

0k i give you win bet on a race that wasn't run and i lost. can't wait to bet on the next race that isn't run and i lose also