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RHT2004 11-26-2016 02:54 PM

Royal Delta 2.0
 
Check out Mott's race 4 winner today to Aqueduct. Her name is Elate and she's a monster.

Pants II 11-26-2016 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1081932)
Check out Mott's race 4 winner today to Aqueduct. Her name is Elate and she's a monster.

Looking like she's going to be exactly that.

RHT2004 11-26-2016 04:25 PM

Dutrows 2yr old is the goods as well. 3 super impressive races to start his career.

Rupert Pupkin 11-28-2016 06:14 AM

I agree that Elate was very impressive. But I thought there was an an even more impressive 2 year old filly than her this weekend. I don't know if you saw Unique Bella on Saturday at Del Mar. I think she is the best 2 year old filly in the country right now.

RHT2004 11-28-2016 06:26 AM

Ill take Elate over the Hollendorfer filly who was allowed to set a controlled pace all alone when Oneils 🐎 didn't break. Plus she already had a race.

Rupert Pupkin 01-08-2017 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1081986)
Ill take Elate over the Hollendorfer filly who was allowed to set a controlled pace all alone when Oneils 🐎 didn't break. Plus she already had a race.

Did you see Unique Bella today? She won the Grade II Santa Ynez today by about 8 lengths and she was never asked. There is no telling how good she is.

RHT2004 01-08-2017 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1083885)
Did you see Unique Bella today? She won the Grade II Santa Ynez today by about 8 lengths and she was never asked. There is no telling how good she is.

Ill stick with the Mott fillys.

taxicab 01-09-2017 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1083885)
Did you see Unique Bella today? She won the Grade II Santa Ynez today by about 8 lengths and she was never asked. There is no telling how good she is.

She's really good.......
UB doesn't even look like she wants to sprint,she's built like a router.
She did it shutdown in a canter yesterday....... in race horse time of 1:22.1.
UB looks like your Kentucky Oaks favorite now.

Rupert Pupkin 01-09-2017 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by taxicab (Post 1083918)
She's really good.......
UB doesn't even look like she wants to sprint,she's built like a router.
She did it shutdown in a canter yesterday....... in race horse time of 1:22.1.
UB looks like your Kentucky Oaks favorite now.

I agree. She's bred to go long. She's by Tapit and her dam is Unrivalled Belle, who won the Breeders Cup Distaff.

I think the sky is the limit for this filly.

RHT2004 01-09-2017 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by taxicab (Post 1083918)
She's really good.......
UB doesn't even look like she wants to sprint,she's built like a router.
She did it shutdown in a canter yesterday....... in race horse time of 1:22.1.
UB looks like your Kentucky Oaks favorite now.

Off that 88 beyer? Pretty sure she matched Elate yesterday.

taxicab 01-09-2017 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1083922)
Off that 88 beyer? Pretty sure she matched Elate yesterday.

If you want to go off the BSF,that's fine........nothing wrong with that.
But she made two really nice fillies look slow yesterday{It Tiz Well/Shane's Girlfriend}.......and she did it laughing at them.
Remember Mr. 2004,I'm projecting a bit in my evaluation.......I'm looking at a Filly who's built/bred to route,and covers ground ever so easily.
Factor in her stopping the timer and the way she did it........and Voila,the next big thing.
She really passes the eye test::eek:
Note:Turn the volume down in her DMR replay.........trust me.

https://youtu.be/OToofA3FVHQ


https://youtu.be/YnPko8rkNxE

RolloTomasi 01-10-2017 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1083922)
Off that 88 beyer? Pretty sure she matched Elate yesterday.

The problem is that Elate doesn't appear to be training at the moment. No workouts since mid-November (before her debut).

Indian Charlie 01-10-2017 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1083929)
The problem is that Elate doesn't appear to be training at the moment. No workouts since mid-November (before her debut).

She was doomed almost immediately.

Rupert Pupkin 01-10-2017 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1083922)
Off that 88 beyer? Pretty sure she matched Elate yesterday.

The speed figure is totally meaningless in this case. She was never asked. She could have won by at least another 3-4 lengths. In addition, she was 4-wide. You can add at least 8-10 points to her speed figure.

10 pnt move up 01-10-2017 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1083929)
The problem is that Elate doesn't appear to be training at the moment. No workouts since mid-November (before her debut).

dreamscrusher

RolloTomasi 01-10-2017 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1083941)
dreamscrusher

On the bright side, Close Hatches full sister Lockdown is training steadily and is nominated to this weekend's Busanda.

RHT2004 01-10-2017 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1083932)
The speed figure is totally meaningless in this case. She was never asked. She could have won by at least another 3-4 lengths. In addition, she was 4-wide. You can add at least 8-10 points to her speed figure.

Ill never buy stuff like this. Arrogate was never asked much before the Travers and was breezing w/ 99 and 104's.
This horse is bound to be grossly over bet because of the blowout win and the Songbird factor.

RHT2004 01-10-2017 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1083946)
On the bright side, Close Hatches full sister Lockdown is training steadily and is nominated to this weekend's Busanda.

She should jog. NY route to the Oaks. Pretty sure Close Hatches did that also.

RolloTomasi 01-10-2017 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1083954)
She should jog. NY route to the Oaks. Pretty sure Close Hatches did that also.

Close Hatches was buried in the Oaks by Princess of Sylmar and Beholder.

RHT2004 01-10-2017 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1083957)
Close Hatches was buried in the Oaks by Princess of Sylmar and Beholder.

I said ny route to Oaks. I know where she finished. But since you brought it up.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7C41IpLdTc


Remember this was the big race at the time. They all showed up and Closed Hatches beat them both on the square.

RHT2004 01-10-2017 10:03 PM

That was the big race at the time, they all showed up and Closed Hatches beat them both on the square.

cakes44 01-11-2017 07:11 AM

Or this race where Beholder didn't get injured:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PKlFZrXTuY

declansharbor 01-11-2017 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1083958)
I said ny route to Oaks. I know where she finished. But since you brought it up.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7C41IpLdTc


Remember this was the big race at the time. They all showed up and Closed Hatches beat them both on the square.

It took an EPIC hang job from Princess of Sylmar to get it done. Horse looked 1/9 to blow right on by Close Hatches mid-stretch and hung like a chandelier.

RolloTomasi 01-11-2017 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1083958)
I said ny route to Oaks. I know where she finished. But since you brought it up.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7C41IpLdTc


Remember this was the big race at the time. They all showed up and Closed Hatches beat them both on the square.

I can't make the link work...is that the 2013 BC Distaff?

RHT2004 01-11-2017 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1083965)
It took an EPIC hang job from Princess of Sylmar to get it done. Horse looked 1/9 to blow right on by Close Hatches mid-stretch and hung like a chandelier.

Really? Didnt Close Hatches crush her at Saratoga?

RolloTomasi 01-11-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1083981)
Really? Didnt Close Hatches crush her at Saratoga?

Princess of Sylmar retired about 2 weeks later. In fact, Close Hatches might have busted in that race, too, given her 2 subsequent (and final) performances.

But Beholder kept going...

Indian Charlie 01-11-2017 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1083953)
Ill never buy stuff like this. Arrogate was never asked much before the Travers and was breezing w/ 99 and 104's.
This horse is bound to be grossly over bet because of the blowout win and the Songbird factor.

By the way, if you are going to use Arrogate as the new standard to compare other horses too, its going to be a long time until you see another good horse.

10 pnt move up 01-12-2017 08:10 AM

I dont use Beyer figures at all but Timeform had it a 112 figure, which is ok but nothing special. Interestingly enough Songbird ran 111 a month later than this in easy victory at SA.

The thing I liked about the race, compared to say Mastery, who has had pretty cake trips is this horse was taken a bit of the pace after a average break and then made a 5 wide move.

Of course what are the odds that one barn has two brilliant horses back to back...unlikely.

RolloTomasi 01-18-2017 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1083922)
Off that 88 beyer? Pretty sure she matched Elate yesterday.

That 88 Beyer looks pretty strong next to a 75 for Lockdown.

But have no fear, Elate finally returned to the worktab down in Florida. There might be time for a prep before the Oaks although it's possible Bill Mott might be looking towards the NY races in the spring and summer instead.

RHT2004 01-18-2017 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1084383)
That 88 Beyer looks pretty strong next to a 75 for Lockdown.

But have no fear, Elate finally returned to the worktab down in Florida. There might be time for a prep before the Oaks although it's possible Bill Mott might be looking towards the NY races in the spring and summer instead.

I thought Lockdown ran fine. Did all the dirty work chasing a 3-5 chalk. Huge future.

RolloTomasi 01-18-2017 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1084384)
I thought Lockdown ran fine. Did all the dirty work chasing a 3-5 chalk. Huge future.

Didn't seem like much a field. The favorite has been horrendous in the stretch in its last 3. No Sweat looked abysmal down the lane on the wrong lead. Lockdown was ordinary finishing up. Unless she progresses, I wouldn't look past the Busher or Gazelle with her. She is by First Defence after all.

RHT2004 01-18-2017 01:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXPyqSHlayY

But a full to that.

RolloTomasi 01-18-2017 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1084386)

Considering that Dreaming of Julia never ran again, that might have been a worse field than the Busanda.

RHT2004 01-18-2017 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1084387)
Considering that Dreaming of Julia never ran again, that might have been a worse field than the Busanda.

It was a bad field.

Rupert Pupkin 02-06-2017 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
The speed figure is totally meaningless in this case. She was never asked. She could have won by at least another 3-4 lengths. In addition, she was 4-wide. You can add at least 8-10 points to her speed figure.

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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1083953)
Ill never buy stuff like this. Arrogate was never asked much before the Travers and was breezing w/ 99 and 104's.
This horse is bound to be grossly over bet because of the blowout win and the Songbird factor.

You should start buying stuff like that. She ran a 98 yesterday. She added 10 points to her speed figure, like she figured to. And even yesterday she made a premature move into a very fast pace. In addition, she wasn't all out the final 16th of a mile. She can easily move up another 5-6 Beyer points off that race. If she continues to improve at this pace, pretty soon she might be able to compete with Elate.

Indian Charlie 02-06-2017 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1085481)
Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
The speed figure is totally meaningless in this case. She was never asked. She could have won by at least another 3-4 lengths. In addition, she was 4-wide. You can add at least 8-10 points to her speed figure.



You should start buying stuff like that. She ran a 98 yesterday. She added 10 points to her speed figure, like she figured to. And even yesterday she made a premature move into a very fast pace. In addition, she wasn't all out the final 16th of a mile. She can easily move up another 5-6 Beyer points off that race. If she continues to improve at this pace, pretty soon she might be able to compete with Elate.

Go easy on the Hen. I think he bet the Patriots in the first half and the Falcons in the second half.

blackthroatedwind 02-06-2017 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 1085481)
Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
The speed figure is totally meaningless in this case. She was never asked. She could have won by at least another 3-4 lengths. In addition, she was 4-wide. You can add at least 8-10 points to her speed figure.



You should start buying stuff like that. She ran a 98 yesterday. She added 10 points to her speed figure, like she figured to. And even yesterday she made a premature move into a very fast pace. In addition, she wasn't all out the final 16th of a mile. She can easily move up another 5-6 Beyer points off that race. If she continues to improve at this pace, pretty soon she might be able to compete with Elate.

This is a bit silly, and an extremely lame attempt at "I told you so." The fact that a newly turned 3YO ran 11 Beyer points higher than her maiden win, which was off a five month layoff, and then ten points better than her second start off that layoff, hardly proves the "this horse could easily have gone much faster" BS that gets spewed with relative regularity, and is, in fact, BS in virtually every case ( they said it about Bernardini, like it was a given, and it proved to not be the case ). In this case, it was likely a combination of the fact that maybe she could have gone a little faster and she's improving with time, experience, and training.

Unique Bella is a terrific horse. Possibly better than last year's flavor of the month/year. Do you really need to say "I told you so" to make yourself feel better?

blackthroatedwind 02-06-2017 05:37 PM

Let me also add something about Elate....is it likely she's as good as Unique Bella appears to be? No, but given her debut, it's hardly impossible, and isn't that what any racing fan should be rooting for....two top class race horses headed for real showdowns? A true East/West rivalry is fun. I'm not saying it will happen, but it sure would be great.

I don't know why people are already snidely denigrating one in order to promote the other. It sure feels like we see a lot of that from people out West about West coast horses. Insecure anyone?

Indian Charlie 02-06-2017 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 1085487)
Let me also add something about Elate....is it likely she's as good as Unique Bella appears to be? No, but given her debut, it's hardly impossible, and isn't that what any racing fan should be rooting for....two top class race horses headed for real showdowns? A true East/West rivalry is fun. I'm not saying it will happen, but it sure would be great.

I don't know why people are already snidely denigrating one in order to promote the other. It sure feels like we see a lot of that from people out West about West coast horses. Insecure anyone?

I'm pretty sure he was taking a shot at rock Tard Hen and not doing the west coast vs east coast thing. As to why, it's because rth is rth.

blackthroatedwind 02-06-2017 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1085488)
I'm pretty sure he was taking a shot at rock Tard Hen and not doing the west coast vs east coast thing. As to why, it's because rth is rth.

The Elate comment, which I agree was directed at RTH, was still silly.

I just hate the "this horse could easily have gone faster" line as it is rarely the case.


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