Lawyer Ron, his works
 

Just thought I would point out that since receiving LR, Pletcher has worked him three times and none are the speed crazy bullets he was firing before.

I saw that as well, it will be interesting to see his next start...

You are absolutely right, hes just really lucky.

You noticed that also?
I was wondering what the bleeding hearts who said noone was to blame for his rankness are right about now.
The first step in getting a horse to relax in the afternoon is to get him to relax in the morning. It appears they are doing just that. So the bleeding hearts can cry me a river.

I read the article on Bloodhorse, they were talking about Premium Tap's work and it looked like he and LR worked on the same day, there was a significant difference in time. That might be a bad thing, but we all know LR can roll, so I took it as a positive...

Of course its a postitive. Once you know a horse has speed you don't need to impress the clockers every 7 days and show everyone how fast your horse is. You want controlled energy with even 8th's and a strong gallop out so that the horse knows he's supposed to finish.
I guess I brought it up because the notion that his rankness couldn't be dealt with appears to be a fallacy.

The funniest thing Hoss is that when Pletcher gets horses and they win or improve all the nitwits can't wait to accuse him of cheating. They don't seem to understand things like a change up in work patterns and conditioning, as if those things make absolutely no difference.

I think he still has some upside, he wasn't spotted that well, until the beginning of the year, then by that time he had run alot. His sheet #'s weren't bad and with the break and trainer change, I think he can improve. I don't like him in the Classic, but he's a board threat if he goes...Pletcher might not have a say, but I would think he would rather run in the Clark...

He could be a great four year old.

Mike can you post his numbers...he's not on my list. I'm no fan of LR but if he's 'learning' then he deserves a look.

Is that a cattle dog in your avatar?

looks like a corgi to me

I think hes learning, and also being taught. The lack of respect Todd gets as a conditioner even after all he's done is incredible to me.

Pre Pletcher works:
August 19th CD 5f 59:1 1/20
September 9th CD 6f 1:11 1/1
September 16th CD 5f 59:3 1/34

Post Pletcher works:
October 9th Bel 4f 48 4/41
October 16th Bel 5f 1:01:4 6/11
October 22nd Bel 5f 1:01:1 11/79

You make the call.

I think you are right...

no disrespect to Todd...I just don't really like the horse. Thanks for the #'s looks like he's makin' some changes...I hope they don't translate to BC day b'cause I'm still not using him:D

Thats fine but the bleeding hearts screaming that the owner was wrong to change things up with a rank horse who wasn't finishing really should examine the ATTEMPT that the new guys is making and consider if their remarks were ill advised.:D

very nice, very cute dogs. hard workers. hard to believe with those short legs that they are working dogs, and love to be kept busy.

well of course they were ill advised. who here would actually choose holthus over pletcher if they had to choose???

They like to bark a lot too. A friend of mine is a breeder. :)

Holthus is a great trainer Zieg, he really is. Betting him at Oaklawn is like an ATM machine. Its just that it was pretty obvious that an attempt to control his rankness had to be made, and he wasn't doing it.

pembroke wesh corgi...Mrs. P...or paisley...whichever she will come to...and she's very busy...and 'talkative'

Thats an AWESOME pic of the dog!!! Looks like something really has its attention. What did you do, show the dog the works since Pletcher had taken over the horse?

lol


That was the dog's reaction when she said she wasn't a fan of Lawyer Ron...

Actually maybe that was the dog's reaction when he read the bleeding heart thread. I think he had 10 doggy treats riding on the Super Derby and man was he ever pissed when the horse was rank and got caught!

Hey Oracle darling, why don't you wait until the horse runs a race before you start gloating? How are you so sure those slower works aren't because there's something wrong with the horse?? And what makes you so certain Pletcher isn't slowing that horse down artificially?? I have seen trainers do that to take the edge off of them in the AM to "teach" them to relax.

Blue Eyes my dear, my clocker is the best in the trade, ask anyone in NY about Joe P. sweetest.
If he tells me a horse is DOING OUTSTANDING then its gospel.

Oracle this horse has lots of talent, no question. How good are his chances to hit the board in the classic?

Oracle, baby, was your clocker back at the Pletcher barn before and after those works?

Dosent look as if prado has anything for the Classic. Wouldnt he be a good fit to get him to relax in the race? Which one of the TBAs will Prado get?

I just printed off the sheets for the BC, if he's doing outstanding, I believe he's really sitting on an effort to hit the board. Third off layoff, trainer switch, and with a possible change in style, it looks very positive for LR.

Lawyer Ron is as Game a race horse as they come and if the new barn can get him to rate, well I think he can be in the money with alittle improve.

I think that LR has a better chance than Flower Alley. Johnny V should take the ride on Ron...

he was my clocker before Oracle stole him away

Well if he can relax and rate in his races I'll be impressed, horses are creatures of habit and this horse in a race will get the juices flowing again, in the mornings it's a LOT easier to get them to slow down when they're alone and they concentrate on you. I don't care if he has him doing the Texas Twostep and whistlin Dixie in the morning, it's a different scenario in the actual race. Intercontinental was not NEARLY the head case she was in the mornings as she was in her races.

They are one of my favorite dogs, I had a Corgie for 14 years. I swear she saved me from a serious accident, I was blanketing a 3 year old stallion and unexpectedly he fired and kicked me square on the knee, I went down and could not bend my leg, than the colt whirled around and charged me, my little Corgie was outside the stall and charged in grabbing at his face, she actually tore the colts upper lip pretty badly but the distraction enabled me to crawl under the stall guard, she was such a great dog, we called her the Warden because if horses banged their stall doors she would run up and bite at them! LOL!!! I miss her so much to this day and haven't been able to bring myself to get another one....... yet.

Yeah Prado's on Premium Tap. I heard Julien Leparoux was free. Is anybody slightly disturbed that Jamie Spencer will be on David Junior? Whenever I see him I have to cross my fingers that nobody gets interfered with.

And what does this have to do with the price of tea in China???

holthus is a good trainer...but again, who would choose him over pletcher? haven't seen anyone pipe up yet and say they would.