Twin Exacta
 

We've been bouncing around some bet ideas and I was curious what people think about a twin exacta bet, where you have to hit two straight exactas?

Absolutely a great idea. Charles Town had the wager in the late 70's. The handful of times I observed the payouts they seemed generous and I was intrigued. Before I could practice playing they ended the wager. I'm all for it.:tro:

Sounds exciting , especially with a nice 15% takeout. They used to have a wicked twin tri at the Rock (RIP)

This would be even better

http://www.twinspires.com/omni-wager...ational-racing

Possible carryover question should be dealt with in advance, while highly unlikely certainly possible

CHOOSE SIX BET. was tried delaware / monmouth. needed larger trackhandle.
$1 base and jump in anyware as longg as 6 races remain

http://www.drf.com/news/ontrack-fans-can-choose-six

This is great and I would play it.

One drawback could be the difficulty of entering tickets in or telling a teller what you are betting. I'm assuming you could box each leg, then box the second leg. Might be hard for novices to grasp.

I invested a lot of my lunch money as a youth chasing that damn bet.....

Best time from the heights to the Rock was 37 minutes.....in a Buick century

As long as my bookie will take the bet, I'll play it.

Im always looking for another way to lose money so sounds good to me

I'll toast to that my Friend! :D

Many dog tracks that I have been at years ago had a 'twin quin' (2 quinellas in back to back races) bet that seemed to be pretty popular...........I would certainly look at this but maybe at the expense of playing a rolling double.

Charles Town named the wager the "big exacta".One of the luxuries was that you could decide what wager you wanted in the 2nd leg after the first leg was official.

An hour flat up Rt.38 from Lowell HS on a 10 Speed. Nice black Fuji. Cut after lunch...there by post. Had my own special parking spot in bottom lot near kitchen entrance. Sneak right in. Got "friendly" with girl working the bar who would drive Fuji and I back to the city at 6:00. Nice girl....good times.

Took her to Saratoga with me a few years later (The girl, not the faithful bike) to watch Shugs' Heavenly Prize devour Lakeway on the turn in the Alabama. You always remember your first (Saratoga visit, not the girl).

On a side note, you cannot ride a bike in the breakdown lane up 93. A state trooper politely informed me of this and then slowly tailed me as I went down the off ramp in Methuen, much to my chagrin, knowing that the early DD was going to be gone before my impending arrival.

Quite the degenerate.:D

It has always been my experience that you chose the second leg after the first race was official, that half (or some other arbitrary percentage) of the pool was paid to people who got the first leg correct, and then the rest went to the bigger second leg payout. After the first leg is official you would go to the window, collect your winnings and get a ticket for the second leg at no extra cost. Perhaps NYRA is envisioning doing things differently than that, but that's what I would imagine.

When you say "always" I assume you are referring to any number of different venues that offered the wager in the past. I am only familiar with Charles Town in the late 70's. I can tell you that I received one exchange for my single ticket the only time I played with no consolation.

I find it interesting that there is an added benefit of not committing to the second leg until after you see the post parade and odds of the horses.
There is no reason a pick 3 or pick 4 couldn't be structured in the same manner.

If I have to wait for leg 1 to complete and then enter my second leg this is of no interest to me. If I enter both legs prior to the start I will watch the pools and payouts and if they are attractive I will play

A will pay grid for a twin exacta would be enormous and impractical but could be done. To each his own, I prefer to see the horse in the flesh before investing.

My experience was based mainly from when Los Alamitos offered the twin tri back in 1992, here is a link to an L.A. times article from back then, http://articles.latimes.com/1992-02-...ecta-carryover
plus our local dog track in Idaho offered a twin quin and twin tri and tri-super that had split payouts. So like I said it is a different world now but that is what I remember.

Because a bettor could wager until post time of the 2nd leg the will pays could be shown as the exchange wagers come in and value could be realized as easily as it would be before the first leg.

I like it and would definitely play it.

Would it be like the old twin tri, where you got as many combos as you scored for in the first leg ($6 base bet win gave you 6 combos in the second leg)? Or would it be like 6 combos in the first leg * 12 in the second = $72?

Love the idea either way.

Definitely think it would be a great inclusion to the wagering menu, especially in the middle of the card. It would fit perfectly in between the early and late Pick Fours.

The Quinela Double has been an extremely popular wager for years at most Florida dog tracks and usually offers tremendous value.

When people had to exchange winning tickets years ago, the tote was obviously less sophisticated, so clearly that would no longer be the case.

This bet would be a compromise for a bet I would prefer. There is no timetable, it is simply something we have discussed. Thanks for your input.

What bet would you prefer?

I am very much intrigued, this is something i would definitely consider playing. Tip of the cap to NYRA, would love to hear any new ideas. Anything to keep things growing, especially for the players! :)

I have an idea. Make multi race wagers more inviting to play by allowing me to make my choice up until post time for every leg.:$:

http://www.monmouthpark.com/News.aspx?id=10614

15% across the board meadowlands turf meet, starts Wednesday, Sept. 28, :$:

The twin-quin and double-exacta ideas have both been played out at racetracks in history, but to be honest, Andy, I would like to see NYRA try to pioneer something in the way of a new bet. While the Grand Slam is interesting and fun (pick three straight show horses followed by a single race winner), I would like to see something constructed like they have in Hong Kong : pick two of the first three finishers to move onto the next leg.

Thanks for asking for input, Andy. Some interesting ideas. Not sure if some of the structures would be feasible in today's world with so much ADW money. Some of these wagers were done at smaller tracks and before ADW's. Making two transactions on a multi-race bet could be more complex for both track and bettors for the money it's bringing in. I think twin quinellas, twin exacta's and twin tris could all work somewhat.

One of the nice things you have in NYRA is one of the largets labs in the country. The data from pools could show you pretty quickly what a new wager would do. Especially the effect on other pools and handle.

I like the Grand Slam and will play it when at SAR. It seems to be popular with the crowd and especially smaller bankroll, occasional players. It gives you some wiggle room in 3 legs so has some forgiveness built in an lets people stay live in a multi-race wager without being perfect. It works much better with large fields and payouts can be good at SAR. It's not that attractive at BEL and AQU on smaĺler fields. Big day cards there it works good. I'm in PA and restricted by zip code to only 2 ADW's (Parx and Harrah's TVG-pabets) and neither of them offer the Grand Slam on NYRA.