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Kasept 10-24-2006 07:50 AM

BC SPRINT: Pre-Entrants
 
These are the possible and likely Sprint entrants based on assembled wire reports...

1. Areyoutalkintome (O'Neill/Espinoza)

2. Attila's Storm (Schosberg/C. Velasquez)

3. Bordonaro (Spawr/PVal)

4. Commentator (Zito/?)

5. Dubai Escapade (Harty/?)

6. Friendly Island (Pletcher/Jara-Gomez-Prado)

7. Henny Hughes (McLaughlin/JVelasquez)

8. Kelly's Landing (Kenneally/Bejarano)

9. Lewis Michael (Catalano/?)

10. Malibu Mint (Chapman/?)

11. Nightmare Affair (Azpurua/Castro-Sanchez)

12. Pomeroy (Wolfson/Castro-Bravo-Prado-Coa)

13. Siren Lure (Sherman/Solis)

14. Thor's Echo (O'Neill/Nakatani)

15. Too Much Bling (Baffert/Gomez-Prado)

16. War Front (Jerkens/Santos)

randallscott35 10-24-2006 07:52 AM

I thought Dubai Escapade would be in there?

Kasept 10-24-2006 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
I thought Dubai Escapade would be in there?

Based on Jeremy Plonk's piece on NTRA today where he identifies these as the pre-entrants (even though he's not supposed to..). May be one missing somehow though because he does reference "passing 13 others" and "field of 14", yet lists only 13...? But this is certainly 13 that are there...

rgustafson 10-24-2006 08:32 AM

Why the big secret in divulging the pre-entries?

oracle80 10-24-2006 08:39 AM

I'd hate to play Henny Hughes at a short price but hes certainly going to be the horse to beat. His tactical speed style is a definite aid in a race where many horses need the lead to win.

FATPIANO 10-24-2006 08:40 AM

Where is Malibu Mint ? According to her trainer, she was being pointed to this race, and right now she is so good it's scary.

JJP 10-24-2006 08:52 AM

Areyoutalkintome has no business being in that race. Just cluttering up the field.

Buffymommy 10-24-2006 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO
Where is Malibu Mint ? According to her trainer, she was being pointed to this race, and right now she is so good it's scary.


HUH? Now this is my 2nd fave filly, but even I don't think she should be in this race. I will email my friend and ask her though. :)

Just heard from my friend. She isn't working for CHapman anymore. Sorry, I can't find out for you. :(

brianwspencer 10-24-2006 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO
Where is Malibu Mint ? According to her trainer, she was being pointed to this race, and right now she is so good it's scary.

same here, i would have loved her in here and wished she was going -- she's tactical enough and one heck of a grinder.

1st_Saturday_in_May 10-24-2006 10:15 AM

I think Coa likely rides Commentator

Buffymommy 10-24-2006 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May
I think Coa likely rides Commentator


I likey this horsie...

Thunder Gulch 10-24-2006 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
I'd hate to play Henny Hughes at a short price but hes certainly going to be the horse to beat. His tactical speed style is a definite aid in a race where many horses need the lead to win.

Henny may be the best here, but I don't think 6f is his best distance. Remember Aldeberan a few years ago who was top notch at 7, but got outrun early and couldn't get up. Considering his probable odds, I'm going to have to take a shot against him.

Seattleallstar 10-24-2006 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
I'd hate to play Henny Hughes at a short price but hes certainly going to be the horse to beat. His tactical speed style is a definite aid in a race where many horses need the lead to win.


favorites dont win BC SPrints you meathead

zippyneedsawin 10-24-2006 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch
Considering his probable odds, I'm going to have to take a shot against him.


hard to argue that! I'm mapping out my pick 3 strategy that includes trying to beat HH in the sprint. Several others could certainly 'steal' this one from Henny. Post position will definately play a role in my decision to play against him, and with which horses.

Bigsmc 10-24-2006 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch
Henny may be the best here, but I don't think 6f is his best distance. Remember Aldeberan a few years ago who was top notch at 7, but got outrun early and couldn't get up. Considering his probable odds, I'm going to have to take a shot against him.


Remember Birdonthewire? In '93 he reeled off wins in the Tom Fool (7f), Forego (7f) and the Vosburgh (7f) looking like a monster. His only lifetime win at 6f was when he was a 2yr old in an MSW. So what does the public do in the BC (6f)? That's right, made him the chalk. Ran up the track. Easy easy bet against. Not saying HH won't handle the 6f, but your Aldeberan comment made me think of Birdonthewire.

sirbarton 10-24-2006 11:19 AM

I'll be taking a long look at Commentator if the price is right.

paisjpq 10-24-2006 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Remember Birdonthewire? In '93 he reeled off wins in the Tom Fool (7f), Forego (7f) and the Vosburgh (7f) looking like a monster. His only lifetime win at 6f was when he was a 2yr old in an MSW. So what does the public do in the BC (6f)? That's right, made him the chalk. Ran up the track. Easy easy bet against. Not saying HH won't handle the 6f, but your Aldeberan comment made me think of Birdonthewire.

but don't forget that this years vosburgh was 6f not 7...and HH went 6 in his other start this year as well. The biggest question is where he will draw...HH is not good out of the gate...he is usually off slow. That is not a good thing in a race of this caliber @ this distance...if he draws the rail he will be up against it. With that said...those that know me know I'm this horse's biggest fan...i say he wins.

blackthroatedwind 10-24-2006 11:20 AM

I'm no huge Henny Hughes fan, but this year's Vosburgh was 6F and so was his 3YO debut.

Comparing him to Aldebaran and BirdontheWire makes little to no sense.

Bigsmc 10-24-2006 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm no huge Henny Hughes fan, but this year's Vosburgh was 6F and so was his 3YO debut.

Comparing him to Aldebaran and BirdontheWire makes little to no sense.

Didn't mean to imply any comparison to Birdonthewire. The Aldebaran comment made me think of Birdonthewire. It was more of a comparison of those two.

For the record HH should be the chalk and should win.

cakes44 10-24-2006 11:26 AM

Henny has run 2 races at 6f this year. One in 1:08:1 in his 1st start in like 7 months and the other in 1:08 flat in a Grade 1 against olders, and out of the 1 hole I believe. If he loses, I don't think it will be because he doesn't like the distance.

Cunningham Racing 10-24-2006 11:26 AM

Henny is the best here but I am uneasy at taking too short a price on him in a race like the Sprint that is one of the TOUGHEST races in North America to win along with the BC Mile and Kentucky Derby....I actually think War Front is fast enough and good enough to have a big shot here....he can rate, unlike Commentator and some of the others with the talent to win this, and I think that makes him the most dangerous competition for Henny....

I'm not a fan of any of the California horses.....Kelly's Kanding is intriguing because he loves CD and is in great form right now, but even he doesn't appear as fast as Henny and War Front to me.....Too Much Bling is VERY intriguing for Baffert to toss him in here off the shelf.....he isn't as fast a 3YO as Henny but could capitalize if that one doesn't fire....interesting race.....pace should be as hot as always..

randallscott35 10-24-2006 11:36 AM

Henny is better at 6 than 7, so I wouldn't throw him out for that reason. Price dictates why I won't use him, but I won't be shocked if he won. Now Bordanaro winning would shock me.

hoovesupsideyourhead 10-24-2006 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Henny is better at 6 than 7, so I wouldn't throw him out for that reason. Price dictates why I won't use him, but I won't be shocked if he won. Now Bordanaro winning would shock me.

henny /sirens lure /pomeroy/war front...dats all folks,,

FATPIANO 10-24-2006 12:20 PM

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Scav 10-24-2006 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
Too Much Bling is VERY intriguing for Baffert to toss him in here off the shelf.....he isn't as fast a 3YO as Henny


He is as fast as him sheet wise.....although 2MB has only run one number as fast as him, I think it was that slop race he won, won't know until later, but either way, I using him.

I have no idea what HH's last number was, but I am going to assume it was somewhat similar

Kasept 10-24-2006 01:40 PM

Added Malibu Mint, Dubai Escapade and Michael Lewis to the list...

Buffymommy 10-24-2006 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Added Malibu Mint, Dubai Escapade and Michael Lewis to the list...


OH now I have to go with MM. I didn't think she would be in here, but I love her so. I just hope she isn't in over her head. DANG my friend for going to work for someone else now I can't get anymore inside scoop on her. :mad:

I will have to look over stuff then make my decision, but my "EMOTIONAL" pick is her.

FATPIANO 10-24-2006 02:20 PM

Buffymommy she is not over her head, she will win, I just know it, she loves 6 furlongs and had a winning race over the track. My best bet of the day

Buffymommy 10-24-2006 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FATPIANO
Buffymommy she is not over her head, she will win, I just know it, she loves 6 furlongs and had a winning race over the track. My best bet of the day


She is a beautiful filly. I really like her. My friend liked her. My heart will be rooting for her. She is only behind Gorella on my fave filly list. (I may have to put some $$ on her.)

Cunningham Racing 10-24-2006 03:10 PM

According to my sources, War Front and Lewis Michael were not Pre-entered but Gold Storm was

point given 10-24-2006 06:07 PM

Pomeroy
 
is an interesting horse. I backed him for 2 years at the spa and was off him in his other races. Now trained by Wolfson (Formerly Biancone) in florida and he will ship him in , just like saratoga. When he's on his game, he can eyeball just about anyone. Haven't taken a look at the pps to see if he ever ran at CD though. Prolly get 5-6/1 on him.

Cunningham Racing 10-24-2006 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
He is as fast as him sheet wise.....although 2MB has only run one number as fast as him, I think it was that slop race he won, won't know until later, but either way, I using him.

I have no idea what HH's last number was, but I am going to assume it was somewhat similar

He's not as fast as Henny Hughes

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-24-2006 06:51 PM

early pks: POMEROY / HENNY HUGHES / BORDANARO

Sightseek 10-24-2006 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by point given
is an interesting horse. I backed him for 2 years at the spa and was off him in his other races. Now trained by Wolfson (Formerly Biancone) in florida and he will ship him in , just like saratoga. When he's on his game, he can eyeball just about anyone. Haven't taken a look at the pps to see if he ever ran at CD though. Prolly get 5-6/1 on him.

Yes he has, ran 3rd in May of last year going 7furlongs behind Battle Won & Level Playingfield. 98 Beyer.

SCUDSBROTHER 10-24-2006 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
Henny is the best here but I am uneasy at taking too short a price on him in a race like the Sprint that is one of the TOUGHEST races in North America to win along with the BC Mile and Kentucky Derby....I actually think War Front is fast enough and good enough to have a big shot here....he can rate, unlike Commentator and some of the others with the talent to win this, and I think that makes him the most dangerous competition for Henny....

I'm not a fan of any of the California horses.....Kelly's Kanding is intriguing because he loves CD and is in great form right now, but even he doesn't appear as fast as Henny and War Front to me.....Too Much Bling is VERY intriguing for Baffert to toss him in here off the shelf.....he isn't as fast a 3YO as Henny but could capitalize if that one doesn't fire....interesting race.....pace should be as hot as always..


TOO MUCH BLING's work yesterday was at Santa Anita,and in company with DA STOOPS. “They went nice. They cruised around there.”--Trainer Bob Baffert

Bling is working in Cali,because he is a Cali horse.So,if you want to avoid using Cali horses(like you normally do,) then take note.

Scav 10-24-2006 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
He's not as fast as Henny Hughes

Yeah he is, SHEET WISE. Both of their tops are neg3's, this isn't including HH's last number, which I am not sure of

ArlJim78 10-24-2006 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch
Henny may be the best here, but I don't think 6f is his best distance. Remember Aldeberan a few years ago who was top notch at 7, but got outrun early and couldn't get up. Considering his probable odds, I'm going to have to take a shot against him.

Hey TG, you should take a look at HH's past performances. He is 5 wins in 5 tries at distances of six furlongs or less. He always races right up close to the pace, never coming from way back. You can never describe Henny as being outrun early in any race he has raced. He is typically 2nd by 1/2 length at the first call.

The comparison to Aldebaran doesn't hold up imo, that horse usually had to pass the entire field to get up.

If you ask me, six furlongs is probably the optimum distance for Henny.

Scav 10-24-2006 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
Hey TG, you should take a look at HH's past performances. He is 5 wins in 5 tries at distances of six furlongs or less. He always races right up close to the pace, never coming from way back. You can never describe Henny as being outrun early in any race he has raced. He is typically 2nd by 1/2 length at the first call.

The comparison to Aldebaran doesn't hold up imo, that horse usually had to pass the entire field to get up.

If you ask me, six furlongs is probably the optimum distance for Henny.

He is probably optimum at 5f to 8f quite honestly. The horse is a monster, no doubt but from a wagering aspect, I am going to go deep in this race

ArlJim78 10-24-2006 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Yeah he is, SHEET WISE. Both of their tops are neg3's, this isn't including HH's last number, which I am not sure of

looking at the Bris pace numbers TMB on his best is very close to Henny. What I can say though is that Henny's late pace has been fantastic, definetely better than TMB's. When I'm looking for a survivor of what is sure to be a brutal pace, I always look at the late number.
Need to see the post positions though first before getting too serious about handicapping this.

ArlJim78 10-24-2006 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
He is probably optimum at 5f to 8f quite honestly. The horse is a monster, no doubt but from a wagering aspect, I am going to go deep in this race

I hear ya, tough to single in here. To me Henny is most likely winner but I really don't have any idea yet how I'll play this.

If you ask me this years sprint is shaping up to be pretty salty. Several appear to belong here and have reasonable shots.


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