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joeydb 07-05-2016 11:18 AM

Should Hillary have been charged in email scandal?
 
The FBI has made the announcement: there will be no charges.

The statement also said that there was extremely careless handling of classified information. She put our national security at risk.

What do you guys think?

casp0555 07-05-2016 11:51 AM

1 Attachment(s)
probably the same way he thinks....

Attachment 2633
fixed it myself

mclem0822 07-05-2016 03:31 PM

No

mclem0822 07-05-2016 03:37 PM

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/brief...3/email-facts/

Danzig 07-05-2016 03:48 PM

The fbi reccommended no charges. Still up to doj.
But maybe they should investigate eight more times to be sure..

And being careless is not illegal. Laws have to be clearly defined. Unless there was a law on the books at the time she was at state that defined careless emailing, etc, they cannot charge for that.

The six thus far who voted she should have been charged...what should she have been charged with? And what makes you better informed and capable than the fbi??

Danzig 07-05-2016 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casp0555 (Post 1068664)
probably the same way he thinks....

Attachment 2633
fixed it myself

Petraus sent classified info to his mistress, who had no clearances. Clinton emailed fellow state employees who did.
Petraus lied to investigstors,whereas there is no info to say clinton did.
So, no real similarities between the two and what happened.
But trump said so, so his followers parrot him without actually looking at the facts. Not even the fact that trump gives opposite opinions to his own proclamations all the time. Not sure how anyone can believe him, he doesnt even believe himself.

Rudeboyelvis 07-05-2016 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1068680)
Petraus sent classified info to his mistress, who had no clearances. Clinton emailed fellow state employees who did.
Petraus lied to investigstors,whereas there is no info to say clinton did.
So, no real similarities between the two and what happened.
But trump said so, so his followers parrot him without actually looking at the facts. Not even the fact that trump gives opposite opinions to his own proclamations all the time. Not sure how anyone can believe him, he doesnt even believe himself.

Cuz in the land of the brain dead, any critism of Clinton is automatically support for Trump. Keep it Simple for the Stupid.

Rudeboyelvis 07-05-2016 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1068680)
Petraus sent classified info to his mistress, who had no clearances. Clinton emailed fellow state employees who did.
Petraus lied to investigstors,whereas there is no info to say clinton did.
So, no real similarities between the two and what happened.
But trump said so, so his followers parrot him without actually looking at the facts. Not even the fact that trump gives opposite opinions to his own proclamations all the time. Not sure how anyone can believe him, he doesnt even believe himself.

Any problem at all with the fact that she kept and deleted emails on a separate sever to purposely avoid FOIA and broke the Federal Records Act? Or just happy that the most corrupt administration in the history of the republic let her walk?

mclem0822 07-05-2016 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1068685)
Any problem at all with the fact that she kept and deleted emails on a separate sever to purposely avoid FOIA and broke the Federal Records Act? Or just happy that the most corrupt administration in the history of the republic let her walk?

Sorry but this is one thing you cannot blame the BUSH CRIME FAMILY AND ADMINISTRATION FOR, so let's leave them out! :D

Danzig 07-05-2016 06:47 PM

Harding is one usually mentioned re corruption.

As for bush, mclem....


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2007/12/bush200712


Clinton had left President Bush in an ideal position to pursue such policies. Remember the presidential debates in 2000 between Al Gore and George Bush, and how the two men argued over how to spend America’s anticipated $2.2 trillion budget surplus? The country could well have afforded to ramp up domestic investment in key areas. In fact, doing so would have staved off recession in the short run while spurring growth in the long run.

But the Bush administration had its own ideas. The first major economic initiative pursued by the president was a massive tax cut for the rich, enacted in June of 2001. Those with incomes over a million got a tax cut of $18,000—more than 30 times larger than the cut received by the average American.

bigrun 07-05-2016 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclem0822 (Post 1068686)
Sorry but this is one thing you cannot blame the BUSH CRIME FAMILY AND ADMINISTRATION FOR, so let's leave them out! :D

:tro::tro:...true story..

bigrun 07-05-2016 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1068687)
Harding is one usually mentioned re corruption.

As for bush, mclem....


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2007/12/bush200712


Clinton had left President Bush in an ideal position to pursue such policies. Remember the presidential debates in 2000 between Al Gore and George Bush, and how the two men argued over how to spend America’s anticipated $2.2 trillion budget surplus? The country could well have afforded to ramp up domestic investment in key areas. In fact, doing so would have staved off recession in the short run while spurring growth in the long run.

But the Bush administration had its own ideas. The first major economic initiative pursued by the president was a massive tax cut for the rich, enacted in June of 2001. Those with incomes over a million got a tax cut of $18,000—more than 30 times larger than the cut received by the average American.

Quit picken on my boy Dumya:p:...that's my job:tro:

Rudeboyelvis 07-05-2016 08:10 PM


>>>SHE SKATES...BUT FOR HOW LONG?

Even by Clintonian corruption standards, this was quick: only seven days between the Phoenix airport tarmac tango between Bill Clinton and Attorney General Loretta Lynch and Hillary Clinton's exoneration by the FBI Director James Comey. This must set a new world record for land speed corruption.

Comey laid out an entire case of criminal intent and action, and then declined to recommend criminal charges against Hillary Clinton, saying "no reasonable prosecutor" would take up the case. Never mind that it is not his job to determine that. Clearly, Comey didn't want to be the guy who recommended charges against the presumptive Democrat nominee.

Well, if you don't want to be that guy, then you shouldn't be the FBI Director.

Despite this grotesque and obvious display of corruption, there is a significant upside. And it's an upside that Mrs. Clinton may not see, because global elites cannot and will not see it.

Every time members of the bipartisan ruling class protect each other, normal citizens, who are constantly being ground into the ground by those same elites, grow ever-more enraged.

The betrayal, which already runs deep, becomes an even greater driver for change. Witness Brexit: the global elites lectured the British people condescendingly about the wisdom of staying in the European Union--primarily as a way to protect their own power, influence and wealth. The British people told them to take a hike. They had had enough.

And so it may very well be here in America. Comey, Obama, Lynch, the Clintons...the elitist cabal that just let her skate may well face their own reckoning in November. They just gave Donald Trump three months' worth of campaign material. All he has to say is: "See? I told you she was crooked. And if you think this was bad, wait until you see the magnitude of corruption at the Clinton Foundation. I told you the system is rigged. I told you the global elites protect each other. The whole dirty system and all of the dirty players need to be removed root and branch---and I'm the only one who can do it. And I promsie you, I will."

That message is extremely powerful---even moreso when coupled with a strong pro-growth economic plan and a national security strategy to rebuild the military and fight the war against Islamic supremacism the way it should be fought.

So while Hillary and Obama chuckle up a storm about how they all got away with it, the American people's rage is rising. And just ask the British people what full-on rage can accomplish.<<<



https://www.facebook.com/MonicaCrowl...13079918725294


Good luck with Independent voters that already think she's too corrupt, evil, dumb or incompetent to hold the office. I agree with all points made - the left is far too ignorant and blind to see what they've just done to themselves.

But to be fair, it's a Washington thing, not a party thing. Trump records the most Republican primary votes in the history of the republic, whilst the right just sat back and laughed.

Shades of 1980 all over again.

Danzig 07-06-2016 09:53 AM

While discussing ethics......
I have seen next to nothing mentioned about two suits against the prrsumptive nominee for fraud. One in calidornia, one in new york...and then two suits quashed in fla and tx after donations made to two campaigns.

At any rate, its a damn shame our two main parties have people with questionable judgement or worse, vying to be president. The money men sure have set up one hell of a system.

Rudeboyelvis 07-06-2016 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1068701)
While discussing ethics......
I have seen next to nothing mentioned about two suits against the prrsumptive nominee for fraud. One in calidornia, one in new york...and then two suits quashed in fla and tx after donations made to two campaigns.

At any rate, its a damn shame our two main parties have people with questionable judgement or worse, vying to be president. The money men sure have set up one hell of a system.

But no one was discussing ethics. We are discussing a tyrannical abuse of power at the highest level of this administration.

A lil' different than getting your panties in a knot over a couple of unhappy Trump University students...but I digress.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-e-mail-system

>>>To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.<<<

Let that sink in a moment.

When the Government is above the law, the Citizens are below the law.

That's Tyranny.

bigrun 07-06-2016 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1068702)
But no one was discussing ethics. We are discussing a tyrannical abuse of power at the highest level of the former administration.



>>>To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.<<<

Let that sink in a moment.

When the Government is above the law, the Citizens are below the law.

That's Tyranny
.

You are talking about the Dumya Bush years, right:p

Danzig 07-06-2016 07:21 PM

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57...b0416464114ff2

A man of integrity...until he didnt do what the gop wanted?

bigrun 07-07-2016 11:32 AM

Quote:

The media reaction to George W. Bush's email controversy

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...l-controversy/



Quote:

The George W. Bush email scandal the media has conveniently forgotten

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/12/the_...otten_partner/

Danzig 07-07-2016 06:23 PM

That is all completely different, cuz..... (R). And because it is not a clinton

OldDog 07-08-2016 07:22 AM

...met for over 3 hours with 5 attorneys present and Comey said they did not record or save a transcript. You know, just like anyone else

richard burch 07-08-2016 10:04 PM

YES..YES..YES..!


but it was never going to happen.

Danzig 07-09-2016 09:48 AM

Amazing. Gop praises the fbi director to the heavens.... chaffetz was asked if the gop would accept a decision not to indict, and he said

“Oh, probably. Because we do believe in James Comey.”

“I do think that in all of government, he is a man of integrity and honesty,” he said of Comey during a June 6 appearance on Fox News’ “Outnumbered.”

“His finger is on the pulse of this,” Chaffetz continued. “Nothing happens without him, and I think he is going to be the definitive person to make a determination or a recommendation.”

And paul ryan said?

“James Comey is a real standup guy,” Ryan said in a Tuesday radio interview with Charlie Sykes on Right Wisconsin. “He’s the FBI director. I do believe that his integrity is unequaled. I know U.S. attorneys who serve in Congress who just claim he is such a strong man of integrity.”

And do note that:
Comey is a Republican who served as deputy attorney general under President George W. Bush. And donated to the last two gop presidential nominees.

So, he was all these things to the gop, but because he did not indict....what? He no longer has integrity? The gop members were wrong before when praising him, or wrong now when they disagree with him? And how can they excoriate him on the hill, call his findings into question, question his integrity, and then use whst he said in his press conference when he bashed the hell out of hilary?!
I seear, the gop would eff up a wet dream.

Danzig 07-09-2016 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1068770)
...met for over 3 hours with 5 attorneys present and Comey said they did not record or save a transcript. You know, just like anyone else

Yet, members of congress have demanded the transcript of the fbi interview. You think they would ask for something that did not exist?

richard burch 07-10-2016 11:08 PM

Yes again....YES...YES....PRISON BITCH

OldDog 07-27-2016 02:47 PM

The MSM is falling over themselves trying to control the email damage to HRC's campaign, but they only make matters worse.



Oh, and the top story at the Washington Post right now is headlined, “Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s emails and release them publicly.” CNN went with, “Donald Trump encourages Russia to hack Hillary Clinton.”

But the Clinton camp told us that her server(s) couldn't be hacked. And aren't they in the possession of the FBI, or were they returned? And aren't the 30,000 deleted emails about yoga and wedding planning, anyway?

Remember this?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-records/?_r=0
And Palin wasn't even a candidate yet.

Mollie Hemingway nails it:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/27/...ssian-hacking/

Tweets of the day

Rudeboyelvis 07-27-2016 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1070971)

:tro:

Brilliant. Myopic DNC policies and an even more myopic base lend themselves to this level of abject stupidity. Mollie Hemingway has a unique knack of taking an independent viewpoint and putting it succinctly and embarrassingly into perspective.

4 Ways Donald Trump is Living Rent-Free in the DNC's Head:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/27/...the-dncs-head/

Danzig 07-27-2016 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1070971)
The MSM is falling over themselves trying to control the email damage to HRC's campaign, but they only make matters worse.



Oh, and the top story at the Washington Post right now is headlined, “Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s emails and release them publicly.” CNN went with, “Donald Trump encourages Russia to hack Hillary Clinton.”

But the Clinton camp told us that her server(s) couldn't be hacked. And aren't they in the possession of the FBI, or were they returned? And aren't the 30,000 deleted emails about yoga and wedding planning, anyway?

Remember this?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-records/?_r=0
And Palin wasn't even a candidate yet.

Mollie Hemingway nails it:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/27/...ssian-hacking/

Tweets of the day

just because that dipshit said Russia should hack them doesn't mean they can.

jms62 07-27-2016 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1070971)
The MSM is falling over themselves trying to control the email damage to HRC's campaign, but they only make matters worse.



Oh, and the top story at the Washington Post right now is headlined, “Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton’s emails and release them publicly.” CNN went with, “Donald Trump encourages Russia to hack Hillary Clinton.”

But the Clinton camp told us that her server(s) couldn't be hacked. And aren't they in the possession of the FBI, or were they returned? And aren't the 30,000 deleted emails about yoga and wedding planning, anyway?

Remember this?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-records/?_r=0
And Palin wasn't even a candidate yet.

Mollie Hemingway nails it:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/27/...ssian-hacking/

Tweets of the day

So tell me that you think it is ok for Trump a candidate for president of the United States to have said what he said. I despise Hillary but for **** sake he needs to keep his ****ing mouth shut. I await your response cause I have a morbid curiosity seeing how someone justifies an unjustifiable position. Whatever she did or didnt do doesn't justify this. Actually we should be ****ing embarassed as citizens of the United States to have our leaders say **** like this. He keeps this up and the 100-1 on Paul Ryan isnt as crazy as it seems.

saratogadew 07-27-2016 07:23 PM

He was joking...

jms62 07-27-2016 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saratogadew (Post 1071002)
He was joking...

Im sure all on the fence voters got the joke and will now vote for him cause of his great sense of humor. What is his next joke ? Internment camps?

bigrun 07-27-2016 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1071001)
So tell me that you think it is ok for Trump a candidate for president of the United States to have said what he said. I despise Hillary but for **** sake he needs to keep his ****ing mouth shut. I await your response cause I have a morbid curiosity seeing how someone justifies an unjustifiable position. Whatever she did or didnt do doesn't justify this.Actually we should be ****ing embarassed as citizens of the United States to have our leaders say **** like this. He keeps this up and the 100-1 on Paul Ryan isnt as crazy as it seems.


:tro::tro:

saratogadew 07-27-2016 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1071004)
Im sure all on the fence voters got the joke and will now vote for him cause of his great sense of humor. What is his next joke ? Internment camps?

So many experts agree that it was the Russians that hacked the DNC emails. So Trump makes an "off the cuff" comment that maybe they can dig up her 30,000 deleted emails. Now we equate that to internment camps? Hell, let's get real wacky and equate it to joking about slavery. Come on man.

Rudeboyelvis 07-27-2016 08:51 PM

Anyone who would actually watch the press conference rather than read these embarrassing NY Times and Washington Post headlines would see clearly that this was back and forth banter with a reporter and was clearly tongue in cheek.

The fact that it is resonating so deeply with a few is that they either a. haven't physically seen it, b. don't understand how this guy has completely overtaken, and is now directing the DNC narrative.

Bill Clinton's speech, which was supposed to be a cornerstone in redefining her impossibly irreparable image, is now a long forgotten, distant memory.

Let's suppose, just for a moment, that Hillary WASN'T lying (I know, I know...impossible to believe, but humor me) and these 33,000 emails were REALLY all about yoga and wedding plans. No espionage, no divulging of state secrets...What is her loss? A little embarrassment over her pompousness, laziness and stupidity? SHE WANTS TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE FUC!<ING NUCLEAR CODES FOR FUC1<S SAKE.

Now, let's say that she actually didn't give a sh1t about any of that cuz she's the Sec of State and queen of the free world and all those pesky security regulations and FOIA rules don't apply to her - and vital security documents were hacked (NSA puts those odds at about 90%, BTW) - WTF does Trump bringing this to light change? Were they NOT going to use them until he "gave them permission??!!"

Absolutely astounding to me the uproar over this, when the DOJ let her walk out the prison gates for this precise negligence.

I for one thought it was hilarious - IN IT'S CONTEXT - and a joke that the left has their panties in a twist - it is 100% their candidate's ridiculously poor judgement that has created this mess - not Trump.

Pants II 07-27-2016 09:06 PM

Jim if Russia is so bad what are your distant kin doing living over there and Saudi Arabia?

Also, you're mad as f.uck go full ****** over Trump responding to an issue that wouldn't exist if the person you're going to support (not voting for Trump is pro Hillary, bub. Lie to yourself all you'd like) wasn't a complicit imbecile and put a server in her basement running top secret documents.

Serious, dude?

What's rrrrrreally your issue with Trump? Yeah it's a loaded question. Yes you make my blood boil. Yes you can go f.uck yourself.

And yes I'm back and f.uck Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and every other non-American globalist scumbag.

Go to your safe spaces.

Bring in Chicago Bob aka Baghdad Bob.

Lets have all out war before the cabal starts WWIII in our streets.

RHT2004 07-27-2016 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1071019)
Jim if Russia is so bad what are your distant kin doing living over there and Saudi Arabia?

Also, you're mad as f.uck go full ****** over Trump responding to an issue that wouldn't exist if the person you're going to support (not voting for Trump is pro Hillary, bub. Lie to yourself all you'd like) wasn't a complicit imbecile and put a server in her basement running top secret documents.

Serious, dude?

What's rrrrrreally your issue with Trump? Yeah it's a loaded question. Yes you make my blood boil. Yes you can go f.uck yourself.

And yes I'm back and f.uck Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and every other non-American globalist scumbag.

Go to your safe spaces.

Bring in Chicago Bob aka Baghdad Bob.

Lets have all out war before the cabal starts WWIII in our streets.

Glad your back brother.

Pants II 07-27-2016 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1071020)
Glad your back brother.

Thanks but I'm not glad...I'm mad. Mad as hell.

If supposedly smart people like Jim get triggered more over what Trump said than what Hillary did then truly there is no hope.

Statistically he's one of the best handicappers in the country and he fell hook, line and sinker for another media spun lie.

I have to believe he's not that dumb and is just an adversary. And that's fine we just need to let each other know our ancestry at least. Because without knowing who we are and where we came from then we're just yelling at each other.

I pretty much know why. It's beyond an individuals control, IMO. These divisions have been going on for thousands of years for a reason. I think a lot of people have lost their way with this fact. ESPECIALLY MY OWN KIND.

And I know how vicious these people are. I risk everything speaking truth. Greater people have made quotes similar, yanno.

It's all about bloodlines. Bloomberg hates Trump because of his ancestry. Pure and simple.

It's the only rational way to explain why they overlook their own when they're "racist", "sexist", or any other word the commies use to silence their opposition.

Hell Hillary knows she's from the same area where Saul is from.

Seriously these people are destined for destruction. It's like they feed on it like a termite infestation in a crack house.

Pants II 07-27-2016 09:38 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...dnc-voicemails

Those damn Russians...and TRUMP!


:rolleyes:

Idiocracy.

Wolf in the hen house. Squawk!

jms62 07-27-2016 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1071019)
Jim if Russia is so bad what are your distant kin doing living over there and Saudi Arabia?

Also, you're mad as f.uck go full ****** over Trump responding to an issue that wouldn't exist if the person you're going to support (not voting for Trump is pro Hillary, bub. Lie to yourself all you'd like) wasn't a complicit imbecile and put a server in her basement running top secret documents.

Serious, dude?

What's rrrrrreally your issue with Trump? Yeah it's a loaded question. Yes you make my blood boil. Yes you can go f.uck yourself.

And yes I'm back and f.uck Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and every other non-American globalist scumbag.

Go to your safe spaces.

Bring in Chicago Bob aka Baghdad Bob.

Lets have all out war before the cabal starts WWIII in our streets.

Welcome back I collect on the under bet:$: My problem with Trump is he needs to shut his ****ing mouth and act like a president and not someone shooting the **** between races a Saratoga. It brings on this shitstorm and doesnt help his chances. I get your Not voting for Trump support Hillary and won't be supporting her. This is about sharing thoughts on strategies that are not helping the cause. One thing I won't tolerate is someone threatening or intimidating me for what I say. I am perfectly capable in defending myself more than one way. So welcome back Coach. Were do we go from here? Do we keep it civil?

Pants II 07-27-2016 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1071023)
Welcome back I collect on the under bet:$: My problem with Trump is he needs to shut his ****ing mouth and act like a president and not someone shooting the **** between races a Saratoga. It brings on this shitstorm and doesnt help his chances. I get your Not voting for Trump support Hillary and won't be supporting her. This is about sharing thoughts on strategies that are not helping the cause. One thing I won't tolerate is someone threatening or intimidating me for what I say. I am perfectly capable in defending myself more than one way. So welcome back Coach. Were do we go from here? Do we keep it civil?

**** the media-driven narrative that Presidential campaigns have been civil.

Dude I'll just put you on ignore until we have enough **** happens where you finally have that Eureka! moment.

FFS Jim I like you but turn off the cable news. They're all idiots and radical lesbians and guys who want to be a radical lesbian.

You'll feel better.

Pants II 07-27-2016 09:47 PM

Yeah if you'd like to be civil then make some posts about the immigration problems.

Balance the rage that way I will be less inclined to question your judgement.

Because I'm rrrreally pissed about the immigration. Pissed. It's a national health crisis. Zika, AIDS, TB, etc.

Antibiotics not working.

More police, bullets, guns, etc.

You know where this is headed. Trump needs to go in harder, IMO.

You're wanting him to go out like a punk like Mormon Jesus. No.


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