Nakatini + Balleto = ummmm???
 

Just read that Nak is riding her in the BC Distaff. Nak is the perfect rider for her IMO, I had no idea this was going to happen, QUITE interesting now

I'm sure there's no one with the same namesake on here that will be rooting for her lol...

Nakatani. He's adequate. He never got out of Wilko what Dettori got out of him, but he's adequate...

I'll let her beat me in p3's and p4's, no way can I use her in a win spot...I see this BC as a Spain and Carressing repeat for the Distaff and especially the Juvy Fillies, bombs away...No way can Nakatani move her up for a win...

I just love thse guys who think that some midget superhero is gonna make a chandelier like her suddenly have heart and wanna run by horses. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Wake me up when something of relevance is said.

So you don't think that some jocks 'fit' horses? You know as well as I do that her fastest could win this race, I don't dispute her hanging type with you one bit.

Do yourself a favor, scratch out the name of every jockey....

Listen to Point G Scav, hes right.
I have never once in my life bet a horse just because a particular jock is on it. I will refuse to bet one because a certain jock is on one, but never the opposite, do you hear what I am saying.
That "fitting" stuff is nothing more than a romanticized notion that is clung to by sports writers who don't know any better and degenerate gamblers who want desperately to believe in such bull****.

hold up chief , your saying that never in your life you havent bet a horse when in the pps he is the only one who wins on this horse and hes back on today....i think not...

Hooves I am telling you that. I think that when you are deaing with a top jock, the difference is subtle. I never used jock handicapping for anything other than tossing out a horse who had an absolute horror show jock on his orher back, and even then it doesn't scare me sometimes. I am telling you that. But to each his own, jock handicapping is how soem like to play the game.

not me, I couldn't tell you who is riding them half of the time...

imho, Jockeys can't win a race, but they can lose it, but the horse can overcome even mild incompetence if he's the best...

I should clarify, it's my belief, but a belief I obtained from one of Beyer's Books...

mike im just saying ..if javy cast...wins on a horse ..comes off a layoff or is in a bad spot with rudy r up and has trouble wide ect..then javy takes the mount again you dont think that matters......

Only if I think the horse has a shot, its sure not gonna make me play the horse if I don't like him.

ok..this is going nowhere...youll never admit it..

Hooves why would I admit something if I don't do it?
I play horses before I play jockeys.
I will play a horse on a blind trainer switch angle though, that i will do!!!

I'll have no problem throwing out Spun Sugar in the Distaff because of Mike Luzzi.

Yeah, that will be why she loses.......Luzzi.

He certainly blew the ride on her in the Go for Wand.

Here's a hint...you know you're on the right track when you bet a horse, the horses are loading in the gate, and you have to look down at your form or program to see who's riding your horse.

Sounds good to me, blackthroat. Put your $ on Spun Sugar. Luzzi's horrendous judge of pace and inability to get a horse to relax give this horse no shot in this race. There's a reason why he's never won a BC race, and rarely even gets a mount for that matter even though he's based in New York year round.

just like gary stevens on RHT in the Preakness, even Im still embarassed over the foolishness

Thats a pretty good example.

First of all, my friend, I never said I was betting Spun Sugar, and had you carefully read what I wrote you would have seen that I was suggesting that when Spun Sugar loses it won't be Luzzi's fault.

I also never said that Luzzi is a GREAT rider, though I happen to think he rides just fine, and if he had the mounts that John Velasquez has his win totally would be at most negigibly less.

The real point of my post is that people who waste time overly worrying about who is riding a horse are also losing bettors at the racetrack. Of that I have no doubt.

That was the best horse he's ever ridden.

I agree with you 100% on your main point, Blackthroat, and that is people waste entirely too much time and $ based on jocks. However, like Oracle said, I have no problem throwing out a horse because of certain jock on him. Luzzi can win races on TAP's horses who are by far the best in the race, but the guy is speed crazy IMHO, and will cost a very good horse, Spun Sugar, any chance at winning the Distaff, just because of his style of riding.

That completely flies in the face of his terrific, and winning, ride aboard her in the Go for Wand.

dont forget all the rides Big Money Bailey were in where I proclaimed he would save the day. Pat Day not so much

Only Bailey and Stevens gave you that feeling the would magically lead any mule to victory

I just watched that Go for Wand race again the other day. I think you and I just see it differently. I see him already getting into her going into the turn. She was just that much better than everyone in the race that day that she was still able to have enough energy to split horses and run by everyone in the stretch. I've been wrong plenty of times before though and I'll be wrong for plenty of $ on Nov. 4th as well.

mike you wouldnt bet a horse first time pval if you felt the horse needed to be hustled from the gate and wasnt in previous races? one of the reasons i loved and bet offlee in the holybull was because the guid was gettin aboard and i felt the horse needed a patient ride in the race, he got just that and popped at a huge price for lands as you know of course. in certain instances its valid in my opinion

And then "the Guid" didn't ride him out for 3rd money in his next start.
I wouldnt bet any horse just because Pval was on it, its the horse that counts most.

O... my big big man... I know deep down inside you're Balletto's second biggest fan!:D

LOL well you and i disagree on a ton mike and always will but i do agree that the horse counts most. youll probaly disagree with me here lol but in my book 85% horse 15%rider

Oracle, no one is saying you bet a horse just because a jockey is on it. However, everyone who knows anything would rather bet a speed horse with PVal on it as opposed to Santos on the same horse.

She hangs like a Christmas tree ornament in December.
She hangs like a convicted man in Texas.
She hangs like a chandelier in a ballroom.
She hangs like Peter North's unit after a threesome.

Peter North I remember him in a Jenna J flick, he like drowned her in his stuff

Peter North... did you know he did gay porn as well? Just an FYI... lol He was idolized by the Sigeps here until they saw it. lol

YUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man I didn't know he went both ways. Thats just awful.

Yeah, they would talk up Peter North and a girl on the squad here was like "he did a gay porn" and they didnt believe her... so we looked it up. and yessa, he swings both ways! And it wasnt just like he was giving... no sir! he was taking one for the team... :D

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You guys need to stop hi-jacking threads. Oracle should know better to talk about hugeness with a couple of chicks in heat....

Hey, speak for yourself, chickie... LMAO! :D

to balletto and cajun i have a ?

Does size matter?