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ateamstupid 11-07-2015 05:58 PM

Desormeaux needs to be gone
 
At what point is enough going to be enough? How many times is he going to have to put people at risk by showing up drunk? How many times will he be allowed to quit riding horses and cost people money? Today's 4th race at Del Mar was just the latest egregious example of how little respect for everyone else this guy has.

His talent alone should not be enough reason to continue to tolerate his shameless behavior. He needs to be put on the bench for a long, long time.

RHT2004 11-07-2015 10:18 PM

Agree with this too. Article on drf now about this.

cakes44 11-08-2015 08:45 AM

That was bad.

TheSpyder 11-08-2015 11:01 AM

Link to article? Cannot find. DRF website has gone down hill if you don't pay.
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1047436)
Agree with this too. Article on drf now about this.


RHT2004 11-08-2015 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder (Post 1047447)
Link to article? Cannot find. DRF website has gone down hill if you don't pay.

I can't post it now. It was basically Privman saying it was disgraceful and he has to meet with the stewards today.

Danzig 11-08-2015 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder (Post 1047447)
Link to article? Cannot find. DRF website has gone down hill if you don't pay.

Its there but you have to pay to read

Kd will continue with this issue til he realizes he is an alcoholic, and the only way to deal with it is never, ever drink again.

Danzig 11-08-2015 03:09 PM

"DMR: Stewards vote 2-1 for no fine or suspension for Desormeaux
Jockey Kent Desormeaux will not be fined nor suspended for his ride aboard in Saturday's fourth race"....

ateamstupid 11-08-2015 03:22 PM

Welp, that's it for me betting Del Mar. Good riddance. They show that kind of flagrant disregard for their players by siding with that disgusting criminal, they don't deserve my money. Status quo for this ridiculous sport.

helicopter11 11-08-2015 03:58 PM

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ateamstupid 11-08-2015 04:17 PM

Nice of our resident troll to check in defending the indefensible. Glad you enjoy betting on riders who may or may not be drunk and may or not be trying. Bet you love Comcast's customer service too.

helicopter11 11-08-2015 04:43 PM

You forget he is a HOF with multiple Ky Derby and BC wins. You bet on an 8 to 5 shot and he loses then say he must retire. Did you see his masterful ride in the second race? I bet you didnt. You see what you want to see. Carry on...

Rudeboyelvis 11-08-2015 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 1047503)
You forget he is a HOF with multiple Ky Derby and BC wins. You bet on an 8 to 5 shot and he loses then say he must retire. Did you see his masterful ride in the second race? I bet you didnt. You see what you want to see. Carry on...

The two are not mutually inclusive. In this instance, he completely quit on a favorite and got beat because of it. I don't know if it had anything to do with whether he was drunk or not, but regardless, he should have gotten days and / or been fined for the ride.

If he had pulled that sh1t in Europe he'd have been out of work for 6 months.

I didn't have a dime on the race but we all know It's difficult enough to be successful as a bettor when they follow the rules.... to watch a multirace ticket get blown up by a 86.00 horse that should not have been within 3 lengths of him because of the jockey....I get exactly where Joey's coming from - I would not bet a cent there either.

helicopter11 11-08-2015 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 1047504)
The two are not mutually inclusive. In this instance, he completely quit on a favorite and got beat because of it. I don't know if it had anything to do with whether he was drunk or not, but regardless, he should have gotten days and / or been fined for the ride.

If he had pulled that sh1t in Europe he'd have been out of work for 6 months.

I didn't have a dime on the race but we all know It's difficult enough to be successful as a bettor when they follow the rules.... to watch a multirace ticket get blown up by a 86.00 horse that should not have been within 3 lengths of him because of the jockey....I get exactly where Joey's coming from - I would not bet a cent there either.

Of all things to take a stand on, this is the one to do it on? If he had been suspended, would you feel better? This race was more of a case where he didnt see the horse on the inside and was riding under wraps. Its not like he stood up or pulled his horse up 10 yards before the wire. I would say it was a great ride by Brice Blanc but all you see is a poor ride by Kent. Thats mob mentality for you.

ateamstupid 11-08-2015 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 1047503)
You forget he is a HOF with multiple Ky Derby and BC wins. You bet on an 8 to 5 shot and he loses then say he must retire. Did you see his masterful ride in the second race? I bet you didnt. You see what you want to see. Carry on...

Again, the argument is because he has talent we're supposed to just condone all of his embarrassing antics. What does his ride on the horse in the 2nd (who, by the way, Kent moved early on and got away with it because the horse was an hour the best) have to do with him losing a race because he decided to style the last 1/16th instead of riding his horse out like is his job?

If this were literally any other jockey, I'd most likely be OK with just a warning. But the pattern of irresponsible behavior in his career putting other people in danger and stealing money by not trying is a disgrace to this game. Yet he's allowed to just keep on being who he is because sycophants like you think as long as someone has big wins on their resume they should be able to act however the hell they please with no repercussions.

How's that Greg Hardy jersey fitting?

helicopter11 11-08-2015 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1047510)
Again, the argument is because he has talent we're supposed to just condone all of his embarrassing antics. What does his ride on the horse in the 2nd (who, by the way, Kent moved early on and got away with it because the horse was an hour the best) have to do with him losing a race because he decided to style the last 1/16th instead of riding his horse out like is his job?

If this were literally any other jockey, I'd most likely be OK with just a warning. But the pattern of irresponsible behavior in his career putting other people in danger and stealing money by not trying is a disgrace to this game. Yet he's allowed to just keep on being who he is because sycophants like you think as long as someone has big wins on their resume they should be able to act however the hell they please with no repercussions.

How's that Greg Hardy jersey fitting?

It seems like you already made up your mind on Kent BEFORE that fourth race. I am acting as a neutral observer. Anything he does is going to be on your radar for comment.

Go Cowboys!

ateamstupid 11-08-2015 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 1047511)
It seems like you already made up your mind on Kent BEFORE that fourth race. I am acting as a neutral observer. Anything he does is going to be on your radar for comment.

Go Cowboys!

Yeah, you seem real neutral when I bring up the litany of issues with him over the years and your only reaction is YA WHATEVER WINZZZ

Glad you think it's OK for him to show up drunk TIME AND TIME AGAIN in a profession where someone could die at any moment and for him to cost thousands of people money TIME AND TIME AGAIN because he doesn't feel like trying sometimes. Glad that's acceptable behavior to you.

Arletta 11-08-2015 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1047513)
Yeah, you seem real neutral when I bring up the litany of issues with him over the years and your only reaction is YA WHATEVER WINZZZ

Glad you think it's OK for him to show up drunk TIME AND TIME AGAIN in a profession where someone could die at any moment and for him to cost thousands of people money TIME AND TIME AGAIN because he doesn't feel like trying sometimes. Glad that's acceptable behavior to you.

Was he drunk yesterday?

Kasept 11-08-2015 08:25 PM

DMR: Stewards vote 2-1 for no fine or suspension for Desormeaux
Jay Privman , Del Mar , 2015-11-08 - DRF Live Posted : 5hrs 13mins ago

Jockey Kent Desormeaux will not be fined nor suspended for his ride aboard in Saturday's fourth race, in which favored WHAT A VIEW was caught right on the wire with Desormeaux, to some observers, appearing to stop riding aggressively before the finish and then rising in the saddle as the horses got to the finish.

In a majority decision, Del Mar stewards Kim Sawyer and Tom Ward voted for no penalty, while steward Scott Chaney dissented, believing a penalty was warranted. They made their opinions known on Sunday afternoon after meeting with Desormeaux in the morning.

"We had Kent in, went over the video extensively, and did not feel there was enough evidence on the video" to penalize, said Ward, who said he believed the pan shot of the race showed What A View trying to pull himself up at the sixteenth pole after making the lead.

Sawyer agreed there should be no sanction, saying she believed Desormeaux's testimony that What A View was trying to "get out."

"He felt he was doing all he could," Sawyer said.

Sawyer said Desormeaux said that, in hindsight, he wished he had hit What A View once left-handed.

Sawyer also said Desormeaux was reminded about his past transgressions in matters such as this. He has been cited going back more than 20 years for not riding to the finish.

Chaney did not agree with his colleagues. "You win some, you lose some," he said.

Chaney said that the minutes filed to the California Horse Racing Board would reflect the different opinions of the stewards on this incident.

Danzig 11-08-2015 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Arletta (Post 1047515)
Was he drunk yesterday?

I think that was the part about not trying.
hall of fame is all well and good, but every ride should be done professionally.
Past cites for not finishing, he didnt finish this race.

helicopter11 11-08-2015 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1047513)
Yeah, you seem real neutral when I bring up the litany of issues with him over the years and your only reaction is YA WHATEVER WINZZZ

Glad you think it's OK for him to show up drunk TIME AND TIME AGAIN in a profession where someone could die at any moment and for him to cost thousands of people money TIME AND TIME AGAIN because he doesn't feel like trying sometimes. Glad that's acceptable behavior to you.

He wasnt drunk riding that horse but you seem to think he is always. Any past issues with alcoholism he has had, he has been dealt with and if he does it again, he should be punished.

ateamstupid 11-08-2015 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 1047521)
He wasnt drunk riding that horse but you seem to think he is always. Any past issues with alcoholism he has had, he has been dealt with and if he does it again, he should be punished.

Never said that. I said he stopped trying on a horse with hundreds of thousands of dollars on it and this is just the latest in a long string of incidents with him putting people in danger and/or costing people money. It is plainly unacceptable to me and I don't understand how anyone with any skin in this game can be OK with it.

Arletta 11-09-2015 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1047522)
Never said that. I said he stopped trying on a horse with hundreds of thousands of dollars on it and this is just the latest in a long string of incidents with him putting people in danger and/or costing people money. It is plainly unacceptable to me and I don't understand how anyone with any skin in this game can be OK with it.

Unfortunately, there are many situations in this game that people are "o.k with" that shouldn't be. I guess in this case, only Kim and Tim were. Right or wrong, I'm sure this will blow over (if it hasn't already) and it will be business as usual in a day or two.

cmorioles 11-09-2015 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1047516)
DMR: Stewards vote 2-1 for no fine or suspension for Desormeaux
Jay Privman , Del Mar , 2015-11-08 - DRF Live Posted : 5hrs 13mins ago

Jockey Kent Desormeaux will not be fined nor suspended for his ride aboard in Saturday's fourth race, in which favored WHAT A VIEW was caught right on the wire with Desormeaux, to some observers, appearing to stop riding aggressively before the finish and then rising in the saddle as the horses got to the finish.

In a majority decision, Del Mar stewards Kim Sawyer and Tom Ward voted for no penalty, while steward Scott Chaney dissented, believing a penalty was warranted. They made their opinions known on Sunday afternoon after meeting with Desormeaux in the morning.

"We had Kent in, went over the video extensively, and did not feel there was enough evidence on the video" to penalize, said Ward, who said he believed the pan shot of the race showed What A View trying to pull himself up at the sixteenth pole after making the lead.

Sawyer agreed there should be no sanction, saying she believed Desormeaux's testimony that What A View was trying to "get out."

"He felt he was doing all he could," Sawyer said.

Sawyer said Desormeaux said that, in hindsight, he wished he had hit What A View once left-handed.

Sawyer also said Desormeaux was reminded about his past transgressions in matters such as this. He has been cited going back more than 20 years for not riding to the finish.

Chaney did not agree with his colleagues. "You win some, you lose some," he said.

Chaney said that the minutes filed to the California Horse Racing Board would reflect the different opinions of the stewards on this incident.

Always good to see stewards protecting the bettors.

casp0555 11-09-2015 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1047516)
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Chaney did not agree with his colleagues. "You win some, you lose some," he said.

I swear this will be the epitaph on my grave stone

10 pnt move up 11-09-2015 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 1047529)
Always good to see stewards protecting the bettors.

ahhh, you gotta take care of your own so to speak. Thats just the way it works.

If you bet on a guy like KD, with his issues and his past, do you still have the right to be upset?

I wouldnt trust any of these stewards.

Danzig 11-09-2015 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1047537)
ahhh, you gotta take care of your own so to speak. Thats just the way it works.

If you bet on a guy like KD, with his issues and his past, do you still have the right to be upset?

I wouldnt trust any of these stewards.

Kd, notorious serial non finisher, is one of their own? No bettors, no product.

10 pnt move up 11-09-2015 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1047538)
Kd, notorious serial non finisher, is one of their own? No bettors, no product.

If the bettor was truly important they would be protected more in situations like this as CJ pointed out. This is only example 10,000 were that is not the case.

Danzig 11-09-2015 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1047539)
If the bettor was truly important they would be protected more in situations like this as CJ pointed out. This is only example 10,000 were that is not the case.

I know it. Its ridiculous. But, i guess bettors should at least find some comfort in knowing it was a hall of fame jockey that cost them.

jnunan4759 11-09-2015 10:23 PM

Johnny D's comments were very good today.

ateamstupid 11-09-2015 11:15 PM

Kent typically classy and remorseful:

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Kent DesOrmeaux @DesormeauxKent
I'm sorry for being expected to be perfect. Sometimes i zig not zag. Know I was all out. Trying to convince another try from mt
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Later in the day according to the San Diego Tribune Desormeaux noted about his ride, “I’ve got nothing to say . . . Wait, hey I rode for my life. That’s all I’ve got to say about it.”
Wonder where he got his sense of entitlement. I'm guessing it's from decades of enabling by tracks, stewards, owners, trainers and bettors who will seemingly tolerate his garbage for eternity as long as he throws a good ride in every once in a while.

Danzig 11-10-2015 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1047554)
Kent typically classy and remorseful:





Wonder where he got his sense of entitlement. I'm guessing it's from decades of enabling by tracks, stewards, owners, trainers and bettors who will seemingly tolerate his garbage for eternity as long as he throws a good ride in every once in a while.

:tro:
yeah, nobody expects perfect.
but not standing up in the saddle til after the finish would be nice. ride thru the wire, kent...that's all

blackthroatedwind 11-10-2015 12:14 PM

I had a very long discussion with Kent about this very topic one night, and believe me, I don't have a problem being direct. Kent is one of the all-time most talented riders who has, unfortunately, spent way too much time trying to prove the opposite. Instead of being remembered as one of the best ever, he will be remembered by most as the guy who stood up too often. Fair or unfair, he has nobody but himself to blame....and sending out Tweets like that is just another example of his disregard for the people that support this game.

declansharbor 11-30-2015 12:12 PM

Anyone catch the tweet from Mister Brightside's trainer Jeremy Noseda regarding the ride that Desormeaux gave in the Hollywood Derby this past weekend?

knickslions2 11-30-2015 12:49 PM

He sure blew up the pick 4 at Delmar yesterday with that win on Stormy Lucy at 65-1

ateamstupid 11-30-2015 12:50 PM

Here it is:

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@JeremyNoseda Nov 28 Del Mar, CA

First time I have ever had a jockey "school" my horse in a Grade 1
25 retweets 21 likes

bare it all 11-30-2015 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor (Post 1049175)
Anyone catch the tweet from Mister Brightside's trainer Jeremy Noseda regarding the ride that Desormeaux gave in the Hollywood Derby this past weekend?

Looked like he was just standing up to have a look around about the 3/16 pole or maybe breezing the horse. Who the hell knows. :zz:

Kasept 11-30-2015 03:23 PM

And then there was Ed Moger on ATR with me today, grateful that Desormeaux gave Stormy Lucy as perfect a ride as he'd ever seen, providing him his first G1 win in his 40 years of training.

bare it all 11-30-2015 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1049193)
And then there was Ed Moger on ATR with me today, grateful that Desormeaux gave Stormy Lucy as perfect a ride as he'd ever seen, providing him his first G1 win in his 40 years of training.

Exactly. It's a conundrum. Will Kent come on ATR again? I love when you talk to the jocks and get their perspectives.

declansharbor 11-30-2015 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bare it all (Post 1049191)
Looked like he was just standing up to have a look around about the 3/16 pole or maybe breezing the horse. Who the hell knows. :zz:

I didn't even notice the ride until I stumbled upon the trainer's tweet. Watched the replay again and after the race said to myself, "hmmmm".

Certainly isn't going to make his highlight reel.

I thought KD's tweets in response were pretty humorous/courageous.

RHT2004 11-30-2015 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1049193)
And then there was Ed Moger on ATR with me today, grateful that Desormeaux gave Stormy Lucy as perfect a ride as he'd ever seen, providing him his first G1 win in his 40 years of training.

Recepta should have won that race.


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